style following inset
Halleman, Joseph (Joseph)
halleman at alcatel-lucent.com
Fri Feb 22 06:14:05 PST 2008
Mollye,
Try the following:
In the text inset, insert empty paragraph above the text.
Create the paragraph tag with a small font size (2pt), 0 spacing above
and below, and import tag into the book files.
Insert the text inset into the book file at an empty paragraph below the
previous paragraph.
The empty paragraph takes on the format of that first empty paragraph in
the text inset.
Regards,
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:03:32 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mollye Barrett" <mollye at clearpath.cc>
Subject: style following inset
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <36631.67.52.221.170.1203609812.squirrel at www.itobin.com>
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I'm working with an unstructured document set that uses text insets.
When
insets are imported into the target document, the empty paragraph tag
following the inset automatically becomes a repeat of the first style in
the previous inset. So, if the inset starts with a numbered list, the
next
empty paragraph tag in the document becomes a number list too.
I know this will go away when and if the documents are structured but
that
is not an option right now. Can anyone recommend best practices for
handling unstructured insets and/or specifically how to resolve this
unwelcome problem. I seem to recall a fix but I haven't been faced with
this problem for a long time.
Any help is truly appreciated!
Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:07:34 -0700
From: "Grant Hogarth" <Grant.Hogarth at Reuters.com>
Subject: RE: SYSTEC Toolbox & Deleting unused conditions throughout a
book
To: "Linda G. Gallagher" <lindag at techcomplus.com>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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<C2C7EB4B8ECDF8489AF0286D47F0F30C0173C286 at eqmail1.equis.internal>
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My apologies --- it would appear that you are correct, and that I
misrepresented the product.
*sigh*
It works so well for all the other entities, I did not think to confirm
that it handled conditions. It appears that the version for FM8 *does*
handle conditions, but I can't swear to it.
"My bad" as the expression goes.
Grant
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lindag at techcomplus.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:56 AM
To: Grant Hogarth; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Deleting unused conditions throughout a book
Hmm. It doesn't say that it handles conditions on the sit, and a copy I
have
for FM 7.0 does not. I did try to order it. I keep going around in
circles,
though, in the ordering process and just sent an email to their customer
support.
Does it really handle conditions?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Hogarth [mailto:Grant.Hogarth at Reuters.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:22 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Deleting unused conditions throughout a book
Toolbox from SYSTEC SystemHaus will do that --- and much more.
(I've no association with them other than as a very satisfied customer)
www.systec-gmbh.com/toolbox
Grant
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Gallagher
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:20 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Deleting unused conditions throughout a book
Framers,
I'm just full of questions this week.
I found Pgf Whopper, which lets me find and delete unused conditions on
a
file basis, but I'd like to know if there's a way to find and delete
them
throughout an entire book. My client has about 20 books and tons of
conditions, many seemingly unused.
The system I'm working on doesn't have FrameScript, so it's not an
option
right now, but might be in the future.
Thanks again!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:13:01 -0500
From: "Teasdale, Steven (GE Indust, ConsInd)"
<Steven.Teasdale at ge.com>
Subject: RE: style following inset
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Hi Mollye
We have used unstructured insets and came across the same problem. As
far as I am aware, the only way to handle this problem is to avoid
consecutive insets. In our case, we ensure that insets represent an
entire section, and are always enclosed by heading tags. For example
Heading 1
<inset>
Heading 2
<inset>
Heading 3
<inset>
Heading 3
<inset>
Heading 3
<inset>
Heading 2
<inset>
...etc...
The obvious drawback to this is the heading text cannot be contained in
the inset. I don't think there is any other way around the problem that
doesn't incur formatting issues (such as those you mentioned) or using
superfluous empty paragraphs to separate consecutive insets.
Steven Teasdale
GE Multilin
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mollye
Barrett
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:04 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: style following inset
I'm working with an unstructured document set that uses text insets.
When insets are imported into the target document, the empty paragraph
tag following the inset automatically becomes a repeat of the first
style in the previous inset. So, if the inset starts with a numbered
list, the next empty paragraph tag in the document becomes a number list
too.
I know this will go away when and if the documents are structured but
that is not an option right now. Can anyone recommend best practices for
handling unstructured insets and/or specifically how to resolve this
unwelcome problem. I seem to recall a fix but I haven't been faced with
this problem for a long time.
Any help is truly appreciated!
Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:25:04 +0100
From: Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: style following inset
To: mollye at clearpath.cc
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Hi Mollye,
Just make sure that the paragraph which follows the text inset is not
empty (if possible).
If this option is not possible, for example, if the text inset is at
the end of your text flow, you can do this:
1. Put a new paragraph after the text inset.
2. In this paragraph, type a single character, for example a full
stop.
3. Create a dedicated paratag, for example "eoti", meaning "end of
text inset" with the Color set to White in the Para Designer.
4. Apply this paratag to the paragraph with the single character.
5. Update the text inset to test it.
If you also generate WebHelp or HTMLHelp output of this FM file, make
sure that you set this paratag (eoti) to No Output.
Good luck.
Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
Scripto
Belgium
Mollye Barrett wrote:
> I'm working with an unstructured document set that uses text insets.
When
> insets are imported into the target document, the empty paragraph tag
> following the inset automatically becomes a repeat of the first style
in
> the previous inset. So, if the inset starts with a numbered list, the
next
> empty paragraph tag in the document becomes a number list too.
>
> I know this will go away when and if the documents are structured but
that
> is not an option right now. Can anyone recommend best practices for
> handling unstructured insets and/or specifically how to resolve this
> unwelcome problem. I seem to recall a fix but I haven't been faced
with
> this problem for a long time.
>
> Any help is truly appreciated!
>
>
> Mollye Barrett
> ClearPath, LLC
> 414-331-1378
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:30:28 -0700
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
Subject: RE: style following inset
To: <mollye at clearpath.cc>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Mollye Barrett wrote:
> I'm working with an unstructured document set that uses text
> insets. When insets are imported into the target document,
> the empty paragraph tag following the inset automatically
> becomes a repeat of the first style in the previous inset.
> So, if the inset starts with a numbered list, the next empty
> paragraph tag in the document becomes a number list too.
That "empty" pgf isn't really empty. It's the _container_ pgf into which
you imported the text inset. If you click the inset to select it, you'll
see from the highlighting that it sits in that pgf. There's an _extra_
pgf break because the text inset itself ends with a paragraph break.
Enough context. The fix is simple: Put something -- anything -- between
the text inset and the end of its container pgf.
For existing text insets, position the cursor between the the text inset
and the pilcrow (end-of-pgf symbol) of the container pgf and type
something. I use a non-breaking space (Ctrl-Space) so that there's a
little symbol there (I always work with View > Symbols on), and it's
less likely to be accidentally deleted. Change the pgf format to
whatever you want (I have a special format I use as a text inset
container) and update the text inset. The container pgf remains
unchanged.
For a new text inset, if the text cursor is in an empty pgf when you
import the inset, the inset will "sit" up against the pilcrow and cause
your problem. Type the Ctrl-Space first, then move the cursor to the
left of it before importing the inset. Or consider importing the inset
with the cursor at the beginning of a non-empty pgf (i.e., to the left
of some text).
HTH!
Richard
------
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Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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------
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:58:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mollye Barrett" <mollye at clearpath.cc>
Subject: RE: style following inset
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <42344.67.52.221.170.1203613091.squirrel at www.itobin.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Thanks all. You've jogged my memory with details and I'll give the fixes
a
try on this doc set.
Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378
------------------------------
Message: 15
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:38:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Rene Stephenson <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: style following inset
To: mollye at clearpath.cc, framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <979522.38667.qm at web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
We have the same problem and have heard it's just a bug w/ FM 7.2
unstructured insets. Our solution is to use Silicon Prairie's Paragraph
Tools to Remove Paragraph Overrides immediately before generating the
book for our output formats.
Rene L. Stephenson
----- Original Message ----
From: Mollye Barrett <mollye at clearpath.cc>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:03:32 AM
Subject: style following inset
I'm working with an unstructured document set that uses text insets.
When
insets are imported into the target document, the empty paragraph tag
following the inset automatically becomes a repeat of the first style in
the previous inset. So, if the inset starts with a numbered list, the
next
empty paragraph tag in the document becomes a number list too.
I know this will go away when and if the documents are structured but
that
is not an option right now. Can anyone recommend best practices for
handling unstructured insets and/or specifically how to resolve this
unwelcome problem. I seem to recall a fix but I haven't been faced with
this problem for a long time.
Any help is truly appreciated!
Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:48:19 +0100
From: Peter Ring <pri at ddf.dk>
Subject: Re: Scripting pulling FM files from version control and
creating PDFs
To: "Linda G. Gallagher" <lindag at techcomplus.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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DZBatcher,
http://www.datazone.com/dzbatcher2.html
is your friend.
kind regards
Peter Ring
Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
> Framers,
>
> A client would like to be able to have a script that runs nightly that
will
> do the following:
>
> - Pull FM files and books from their version control system (PVCS)
>
> - Maybe set conditions (not sure if this is needed yet)
>
> - Update the books
>
> - Create PDFs of books and some stand-alone files
>
> - Put the resulting PDFs in a specific place for the nightly build
>
> It seems like fmbatch can do this, but I think it only works with FM
for
> Unix (they have FM for Win).
>
> Can any of the other FDK tools do this? (An in-house developer will
likely
> write the script.)
>
> What about FrameScript?
>
> What tool is best?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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> WebWorks ePublisher templates
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:51:05 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mollye Barrett" <mollye at clearpath.cc>
Subject: Re: style following inset
To: "Rene Stephenson" <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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I'm using FM 8.
I'll try the override tool and see what happens.
Thanks,
Mollye
> We have the same problem and have heard it's just a bug w/ FM 7.2
> unstructured insets. Our solution is to use Silicon Prairie's
Paragraph
> Tools to Remove Paragraph Overrides immediately before generating the
book
> for our output formats.
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mollye Barrett <mollye at clearpath.cc>
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:03:32 AM
> Subject: style following inset
>
> I'm working with an unstructured document set that uses text insets.
When
> insets are imported into the target document, the empty paragraph tag
> following the inset automatically becomes a repeat of the first style
in
> the previous inset. So, if the inset starts with a numbered list, the
next
> empty paragraph tag in the document becomes a number list too.
>
> I know this will go away when and if the documents are structured but
that
> is not an option right now. Can anyone recommend best practices for
> handling unstructured insets and/or specifically how to resolve this
> unwelcome problem. I seem to recall a fix but I haven't been faced
with
> this problem for a long time.
>
> Any help is truly appreciated!
>
>
> Mollye Barrett
> ClearPath, LLC
> 414-331-1378
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:22:54 -0700
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
Subject: RE: style following inset
To: "Rene Stephenson" <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>, <mollye at clearpath.cc>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Rene Stephenson
> We have the same problem and have heard it's just a bug w/ FM
> 7.2 unstructured insets. Our solution is to use Silicon
> Prairie's Paragraph Tools to Remove Paragraph Overrides
> immediately before generating the book for our output formats.
It's not a bug specific to 7.2, this behavior has existed forever. I
suspect it's related to the bug that produces a pgf override when a char
format abuts up against the pilcrow (end-of-pgf marker).
There's no need for tools or repeated fixes. See my earlier post about
separating the text inset from the pilcrow with a space (or something).
That will eliminate the problem once and for all.
Richard
------
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Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
------
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
------
------------------------------
Message: 19
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:28:48 +0200
From: Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com>
Subject: Re: Scripting pulling FM files from version control and
creating PDFs
To: Peter Ring <pri at ddf.dk>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <47BDC2E0.5060708 at actcom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
It says on the page you provided below:
DZbatcher is currently available for Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000, Sun
Solaris 2.6 and AIX, and FrameMaker or FrameMaker+SGML (versions 5.5.6
or above), must be installed on your host system.
What about Windows XP and Vista? Are they supported?
Also, is it easy to use?
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Peter Ring wrote:
> DZBatcher,
>
> http://www.datazone.com/dzbatcher2.html
>
> is your friend.
>
> kind regards
> Peter Ring
>
> Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
>
>> Framers,
>>
>> A client would like to be able to have a script that runs nightly
that will
>> do the following:
>>
>> - Pull FM files and books from their version control system (PVCS)
>>
>> - Maybe set conditions (not sure if this is needed yet)
>>
>> - Update the books
>>
>> - Create PDFs of books and some stand-alone files
>>
>> - Put the resulting PDFs in a specific place for the nightly build
>>
>> It seems like fmbatch can do this, but I think it only works with FM
for
>> Unix (they have FM for Win).
>>
>> Can any of the other FDK tools do this? (An in-house developer will
likely
>> write the script.)
>>
>> What about FrameScript?
>>
>> What tool is best?
>>
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Linda G. Gallagher
>> TechCom Plus, LLC
>> lindag at techcomplus dot com
>> www.techcomplus.com
>> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
>> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
>> WebWorks ePublisher templates
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> You are currently subscribed to Framers as pri at ddf.dk.
>>
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:54:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Rene Stephenson <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: style following inset
To: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>, mollye at clearpath.cc,
framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Glad to learn that. (Had to dig the reply out of my spam folder where it
had gotten misrouted by my spam filter.)
Rene L. Stephenson
----- Original Message ----
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
To: Rene Stephenson <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>; mollye at clearpath.cc;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:22:54 PM
Subject: RE: style following inset
Rene Stephenson
> We have the same problem and have heard it's just a bug w/ FM
> 7.2 unstructured insets. Our solution is to use Silicon
> Prairie's Paragraph Tools to Remove Paragraph Overrides
> immediately before generating the book for our output formats.
It's not a bug specific to 7.2, this behavior has existed forever. I
suspect it's related to the bug that produces a pgf override when a char
format abuts up against the pilcrow (end-of-pgf marker).
There's no need for tools or repeated fixes. See my earlier post about
separating the text inset from the pilcrow with a space (or something).
That will eliminate the problem once and for all.
Richard
------
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
------
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
------
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:50:22 -0600
From: "Deirdre Reagan" <deirdre.reagan at gmail.com>
Subject: question about cross-references
To: "Frame Users" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Friends! Countrymen! Frame Users!
Good day to you from rainy southern Alabama! Thank to you Texas,
Loiusiana and Mississippi (which is ALWAYS fun to type!) for sharing
this rain-making event!
On to the question ---
In my Introduction, I have three interrelated elements:
A. a paragraph that lists all the chapters
B. a table that lists all the chapters and their page blocks
C. individual paragraphs to describe the content of each chapter
Sometime we use all the chapters, some times we don't. So, if we are
writing a document and using only four of the five chapters, I have to
delete the chapter name from (A), the chapter name from (B), and the
chapter description paragraph(C).
Would it be possible, using cross-references, to generate (A) and (B)
by cross-referencing the headings for (C)?
I tried it, and when I deleted one of the paragraphs from (C), the
chapter name in (A) and (B) also disappeared, but one of the other
chapter names duplicated itself.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Deirdre
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:53:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Rene Stephenson <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: style following inset
To: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>, mollye at clearpath.cc,
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <180528.4633.qm at web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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OK, bear with me - What about the situation where you have a text inset
that's just a sentence, and there's no trailing paragraph break in the
inset, and you want to use the sentence mid-paragraph elsewhere? I
can't seem to get the inset sentence to flow to the next sentence
without a paragraph break showing up in the container doc that's not in
the inset. It's like the file end character (that doubled-S squiggle
thing) makes FM put a paragraph break there regardless of what I put
after the inset marker. Is that just functioning as designed, and I'm
not supposed to be able to use an inset that way? (...in which case,
maybe a user variable is a better answer if it's just a sentence we need
to reuse mid-paragraph...?)
How about when you have the inset preceding a paragraph of body text,
and the last paragraph of the inset is supposed to be a numbered list,
but the numbering won't hold if you follow the text inset with anything
other than a numbered list?
Rene L. Stephenson
----- Original Message ----
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
To: Rene Stephenson <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>; mollye at clearpath.cc;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:22:54 PM
Subject: RE: style following inset
Rene Stephenson
> We have the same problem and have heard it's just a bug w/ FM
> 7.2 unstructured insets. Our solution is to use Silicon
> Prairie's Paragraph Tools to Remove Paragraph Overrides
> immediately before generating the book for our output formats.
It's not a bug specific to 7.2, this behavior has existed forever. I
suspect it's related to the bug that produces a pgf override when a char
format abuts up against the pilcrow (end-of-pgf marker).
There's no need for tools or repeated fixes. See my earlier post about
separating the text inset from the pilcrow with a space (or something).
That will eliminate the problem once and for all.
Richard
------
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:59:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Rene Stephenson <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Deleting unused conditions throughout a book
To: "Linda G. Gallagher" <lindag at techcomplus.com>, Grant Hogarth
<Grant.Hogarth at Reuters.com>, framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Systec doesn't, but this does:
* If you don't have FrameScript engine:
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/findchangespecial/index.htm
* Even more powerful version if you do have FrameScript engine:
FindChangeFormatsBatch.fsl (from the same developer - ask Rick at
FrameExpert.com for pricing)
Rene L. Stephenson
----- Original Message ----
From: Linda G. Gallagher <lindag at techcomplus.com>
To: Grant Hogarth <Grant.Hogarth at Reuters.com>;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:55:49 AM
Subject: RE: Deleting unused conditions throughout a book
Hmm. It doesn't say that it handles conditions on the sit, and a copy I
have
for FM 7.0 does not. I did try to order it. I keep going around in
circles,
though, in the ordering process and just sent an email to their customer
support.
Does it really handle conditions?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
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-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Hogarth [mailto:Grant.Hogarth at Reuters.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:22 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Deleting unused conditions throughout a book
Toolbox from SYSTEC SystemHaus will do that --- and much more.
(I've no association with them other than as a very satisfied customer)
www.systec-gmbh.com/toolbox
Grant
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Gallagher
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:20 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Deleting unused conditions throughout a book
Framers,
I'm just full of questions this week.
I found Pgf Whopper, which lets me find and delete unused conditions on
a
file basis, but I'd like to know if there's a way to find and delete
them
throughout an entire book. My client has about 20 books and tons of
conditions, many seemingly unused.
The system I'm working on doesn't have FrameScript, so it's not an
option
right now, but might be in the future.
Thanks again!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:01:31 -0500
From: "Charles Beck" <Charles.Beck at infor.com>
Subject: RE: question about cross-references
To: "Deirdre Reagan" <deirdre.reagan at gmail.com>, "Frame Users"
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Hi Deirdre, from beautiful sunny-but-frosty-and-snowy-cold Ohio (where
we're never quite sure who to blame--er, THANK for sharing their weather
with us),
I'm not quite I understand why or how you want to use the cross
references, but I think maybe you're headed up the wrong alley. If I
understand your situation correctly, I think perhaps a better solution
would be to use conditionalized text and settings for all three
elements. That way, all you have to do come time to publish is to turn
show/hide the appropriate conditional text settings. The only other
thing you would need to worry about then would be having a different
book file for each output, one that has all the chapters, the other that
includes only a subset.
Clear as mud? Let me know if you need further pointers.
Chuck Beck
Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 |
Charles.Beck at infor.com
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 14:50
To: Frame Users
Subject: question about cross-references
Friends! Countrymen! Frame Users!
Good day to you from rainy southern Alabama! Thank to you Texas,
Loiusiana and Mississippi (which is ALWAYS fun to type!) for sharing
this rain-making event!
On to the question ---
In my Introduction, I have three interrelated elements:
A. a paragraph that lists all the chapters
B. a table that lists all the chapters and their page blocks
C. individual paragraphs to describe the content of each chapter
Sometime we use all the chapters, some times we don't. So, if we are
writing a document and using only four of the five chapters, I have to
delete the chapter name from (A), the chapter name from (B), and the
chapter description paragraph(C).
Would it be possible, using cross-references, to generate (A) and (B) by
cross-referencing the headings for (C)?
I tried it, and when I deleted one of the paragraphs from (C), the
chapter name in (A) and (B) also disappeared, but one of the other
chapter names duplicated itself.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Deirdre
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:11:28 -0600
From: "Kelly McDaniel" <kmcdaniel at pavtech.com>
Subject: cleanup
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I have about a dozen books of various ages, authors, formatting, etc.
The tag catalogs are different from file-to-file, and from book-to-book.
I am in the process of fixing this.
I want to make all Paragraph catalogs the same within all files. I know
the long ways to do this. Is there a bulk method?
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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:27:36 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mollye Barrett" <mollye at clearpath.cc>
Subject: Re: cleanup
To: "Kelly McDaniel" <kmcdaniel at pavtech.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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In the past I used template mapper but can't seem to find it now.
Mollye
Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378
> I have about a dozen books of various ages, authors, formatting, etc.
> The tag catalogs are different from file-to-file, and from
book-to-book.
> I am in the process of fixing this.
>
>
>
> I want to make all Paragraph catalogs the same within all files. I
know
> the long ways to do this. Is there a bulk method?
>
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:29:19 -0500
From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: cleanup
To: "Kelly McDaniel" <kmcdaniel at pavtech.com>, "Frame Users"
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You can certainly do it book-to-book.
And you can also add all the component files to a meta-book and update
them all in one pass. However, the FM method doesn't remove the old
tags -- it just updates.
So I'd look at CleanImport, which works with all formats, and also
removes the old ones -- a really nice touch when you're trying to make
things consistent. from
http://www.electropubs.com/ez_cleanimport3.html
Art
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Kelly McDaniel <kmcdaniel at pavtech.com>
wrote:
> I have about a dozen books of various ages, authors, formatting, etc.
> The tag catalogs are different from file-to-file, and from
book-to-book.
> I am in the process of fixing this.
>
>
>
> I want to make all Paragraph catalogs the same within all files. I
know
> the long ways to do this. Is there a bulk method?
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:53:41 -0700
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
Subject: RE: style following inset
To: "Rene Stephenson" <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
<AABEB232F95338499DF8F513EE2B2C78A69D94 at WSTEXCH00.westminster.polycom.co
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Rene Stephenson wrote:
> OK, bear with me - What about the situation where you have a
> text inset that's just a sentence, and there's no trailing
> paragraph break in the inset, and you want to use the
> sentence mid-paragraph elsewhere? I can't seem to get the
> inset sentence to flow to the next sentence without a
> paragraph break showing up in the container doc that's not in
> the inset. It's like the file end character (that doubled-S
> squiggle thing) makes FM put a paragraph break there
> regardless of what I put after the inset marker. Is that just
> functioning as designed, and I'm not supposed to be able to
> use an inset that way? (...in which case, maybe a user
> variable is a better answer if it's just a sentence we need
> to reuse mid-paragraph...?)
The squiggle thing is an end-of-flow symbol. A text inset is never just
a sentence, it's always an entire flow (of course, there may have only
one sentence -- or word -- in the flow). When the source is an FM file,
this is explicit in the dialog box, Import Text Flow by Reference, where
you can select which flow in the source doc to import.
A flow always contains one or more pgfs. So a one-sentence flow is also
a one-pgf flow; you can't avoid the pgf end. But you should be able to
(I haven't tried it) define the source pgf as a Run-In Head so that
there's no break after it.
Here's another idea: Save your sentence as a text file and import that
by reference. In the Import Text File by Reference dialog, select Merge
Lines into Paragraphs. FM inserts the entire sentence at the cursor
location, and it assumes the formatting of the container pgf.
> How about when you have the inset preceding a paragraph of
> body text, and the last paragraph of the inset is supposed to
> be a numbered list, but the numbering won't hold if you
> follow the text inset with anything other than a numbered list?
Now, that one I've never seen. Sorry, I don't have a clue; that
shouldn't happen. :-(
Richard
------
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Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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------
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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:34:21 -0500
From: Fred Ridder <docudoc at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: style following inset
To: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at polycom.com>, Rene Stephenson
<rinnie1 at yahoo.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-W157C2B2A797032CB107013BA1C0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
In response to Rene Stephenson, Richard Combs wrote (in part):> A flow
always contains one or more pgfs. So a one-sentence flow is also
> a one-pgf flow; you can't avoid the pgf end. But you should be able to
> (I haven't tried it) define the source pgf as a Run-In Head so that
> there's no break after it.
>
> Here's another idea: Save your sentence as a text file and import that
> by reference. In the Import Text File by Reference dialog, select
Merge
> Lines into Paragraphs. FM inserts the entire sentence at the cursor
> location, and it assumes the formatting of the container pgf.
It's actually much easier (and better) than that! What you need to do
is select the "Reformat as Plain Text" option in the Import Text Flow by
Reference dialog. As long as the source flow contains only an end-of-
flow mark (i.e. does not contain a paragraph mark), the text will be
imported into your target document as a plain text string, without
any end-of-flow mark. This means you can put sub-paragraph insets
*anywhere*, even multiple ones in the same paragraph. The only
shortcoming of this approach is that you can't bring along any
ormatting; the inset only contains plain text, but you *can*
format the whole inset in the container doc. At my last employer,
I implemented this kind of system for the titles of all the books in
our System Release Bookshelf (about 50 titles), and all writers
were supposed to use text insets rather typing the titles so that
everybody's references would stay in sync when any of the titles
changed. We just had to apply the "TitleRef" character tag to
italicize the titles after performing the insert.
Another point to note if you are dealing with short insets is that
they do not always have to be in separate files. My system used
a multi-flow source document that had all 50 book titles in separately
defined, named text flows. Just remember to keep the flow names
short unless you feel like using Resource Editor to make the list
box wider in the Import Flow dialog.
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Message: 30
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:53:36 +0100
From: Peter Ring <pri at ddf.dk>
Subject: Re: Scripting pulling FM files from version control and
creating PDFs
To: Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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First, in case Dov or someone else from Adobe doesn't step in here,
please observe that there is a legal limit to how you can use current
FrameMaker versions unattended without a server license
(http://www.adobe.com/products/fmserver/).
As far as I can tell, the "Adobe? FrameMaker? Server 8 software
extends the power of Adobe FrameMaker 8 software" only in terms of the
license and the price tag; ie., technically it is no different from the
desktop edition.
Anyway, a completely automated pagination service would probably
require the server license.
I have not tried using DZBatcher with FrameMaker 8 yet. I'd love to hear
about it :)
Don't know about Vista either. We avoid it like the plague for now.
DZBatcher is OK with Windows XP.
Is it easy to use? Well, it does what it is supposed to do, which isn't
much compared to more complete FrameMaker scripting environments like
FrameScript. DZBatcher controls a few important FrameMaker functions,
and is meant to be invoked from a shell script. Use your preferred
scripting language to do the checkout, write the DZBatcher scripts, and
invoke DZBatcher.
DZBatcher, being a command line tool, can read commands piped in from
stdin (and write to stdout). But pipes doesn't work all that well on
Windows, so I have DZBatcher read the commands from a file.
I tend to drive the process from a Makefile. Your in-house developer
knows about 'make' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makefile>. If she
doesn't, then please ask me for more information.
There are a few alternatives somewhat similar in scope to DZBatcher.
- The 'runfm' command from Omsys Mif2Go
http://www.omsys.com/dcl/xhtml/runfm.htm
See for example
http://www.omsys.com/dcl/xhtml/runfm_0016_3433runningasinglemif2goconver
sionorprintjob.htm
Download the demo version of Mif2Go to try out 'runfm'
http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
- CudSpan DoBatch, available from Leximation
http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/?dev=CUD
DoBatch expects you to open a batch script file interactively.
Kind regards
Peter Ring
Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> It says on the page you provided below:
>
> DZbatcher is currently available for Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000, Sun
> Solaris 2.6 and AIX, and FrameMaker or FrameMaker+SGML (versions 5.5.6
> or above), must be installed on your host system.
>
> What about Windows XP and Vista? Are they supported?
> Also, is it easy to use?
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
>
>
>
> Peter Ring wrote:
>> DZBatcher,
>>
>> http://www.datazone.com/dzbatcher2.html
>>
>> is your friend.
>>
>> kind regards
>> Peter Ring
>>
>> Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
>>
>>> Framers,
>>>
>>> A client would like to be able to have a script that runs nightly
>>> that will
>>> do the following:
>>>
>>> - Pull FM files and books from their version control system (PVCS)
>>>
>>> - Maybe set conditions (not sure if this is needed yet)
>>>
>>> - Update the books
>>>
>>> - Create PDFs of books and some stand-alone files
>>>
>>> - Put the resulting PDFs in a specific place for the nightly build
>>>
>>> It seems like fmbatch can do this, but I think it only works with FM
for
>>> Unix (they have FM for Win).
>>> Can any of the other FDK tools do this? (An in-house developer will
>>> likely
>>> write the script.)
>>>
>>> What about FrameScript?
>>>
>>> What tool is best?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Linda G. Gallagher
>>> TechCom Plus, LLC
>>> lindag at techcomplus dot com
>>> www.techcomplus.com
>>> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
>>> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
>>> WebWorks ePublisher templates
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Message: 31
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:13:01 +1100
From: Hedley Finger <hfinger at handholding.com.au>
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8 won't import SVG graphics correctly
To: "Frame Users" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>,
<framemaker-dita at yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Ursula McCloy <Ursula.McCloy at peergroup.com>
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Ursula:
At Friday, 22/02/2008, 02:29 AM;, you wrote:
>Hi, Headley
Hedley
>I didn't see a reply to your very interesting question on the
>list... [FrameMaker 8 won't import SVG graphics correctly] ... did
>you get any useful feedback privately?
An Adobe employee emailed me that this was a bug dating back to FM
7.0. The Inkscape-created graphic displays correctly in a number of
SVG viewers, so it is definitely a FM problem.
I am beginning to think that grouped objects in SVG have a
transparent fill and FM has never been able to handle transparency
but translates it to white. (Since FM 3.0; how about fixing it,
Adobe?) I will test whether it can be "fixed" by changing stacking
order or using layers. Also, it may render correctly to PDF as I
believe Acrobat references the original SVG, not the pixmap or
FrameImage conversion in FM. Come to think of it, I specified that
all graphics are to include a FrameImage facet, so perhaps switching
that off might be a solution. Watch this space for results of tests ...
>We've not moved to FM/DITA
>yet, ... but the lack of support for FM
>callouts would be unhappy if there is a problem with text in embedded
>graphics.
The nice part about SVG is that you can embed or reference PNG for
screen captures and then add leader lines and callout text which is
editable. As it is XML itself, it can be imported into other XML
editors and tools. Since FM DITA does not allow compound graphics
(e.g. an anchored frame containing two or three pixmaps, some text,
and drawn lines and shapes), SVG seemed like a good way to go as you
can double-click on the graphic and up comes Inkscape (or Sketsa, or
Illustrator, etc.) to edit and save.
>Perhaps too simplistic, but what about embedding as a PNG rather than
an
>SVG?
Inkscape (Sketsa, etc) saves to PNG so this is doable, just not as
convenient.
>Or using another program other than Inkscape to add the callouts?
Illustrator, perhaps.
>Finally, though less optimally, what about handling it all in a bitmap
>format with the original text/callouts created at the correct size?
No way; what if you have to edit the text?
Regards,
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Message: 32
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:25:09 +1100
From: Hedley Finger <hfinger at handholding.com.au>
Subject: SOLUTION -- PERHAPS [was "RE: FrameMaker 8 won't import SVG
graphics correctly"]
To: "Frame Users" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>,
framemaker-dita at yahoogroups.com
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<20080222022504.DJJI16012.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com at handholding.handhold
ing.com.au>
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All:
Original SVG from Inkscape consists of a screen capture to PNG plus
some thin lines and some TrueType text.
@ Direct import of *.svg by FrameMaker = strange
white rectangles partially obscuring part of graphic.
Thickness of hair lines varies.
Appears to embed graphic as JPEG, thus introducing
all the usual edge contrast distortions. FrameMaker
document doesn't print to PDF via Adobe PDF virtual
printer all that well.
@ Print to PDF from Inkscape via Adobe PDF produces a
result similar to the above. When PFD imported into FM,
JPEG distortion carried through to PDF printed with Adobe PDF
from FrameMaker.
@ Save to PDF from Inkscape seems to encapsulate pixmap
as PNG with NO artifacts. When PDF imported into FM,
quality of pixmap excellent, hairlines slightly thickened but
all of even thickness, and type appears slightly bolder on
screen. When FM doc printed to PDF via Adobe PDF,
resultant pixmpap + hairlines + type looks best of all.
Type appears as its correct weight, so the thickening of
type in FM is perhaps due to it being converted to a pixmap
or FrameImage for display.
Recommendation: When producing combination graphics in Inkscape
consisting of embedded or referenced pixmaps, SVG vector objects, and
text, save to PDF from Inkscape. Then import the PDF as a graphic
into FrameMaker. This overcomes the prohibition against FM type
combination graphics being included in XML files. You might get a
better result if the TrueType or PS fonts are converted to vector
paths as this automatically "embeds" the "font" vector objects into
the graphic.
Note: Inkscape does not yet support SVG fonts but none of the
editors do at this stage, so converting PS or TrueType to SVG fonts
not an option at this stage. The Java-based collection of SVG tools
called Batik can convert fonts to SVG fonts but what then if editors
can't use them. Handy for programmers, I suppose, creating forms and
notices programmatically.
Happy lathering, customers!
Regards,
Hedley
--
Hedley Stewart Finger
28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia
Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Mobile +61 412 461 558,
E-mail <mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au>
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