weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

Wed Jul 2 14:59:41 PDT 2008

Clint:

Nope, no tab or space in the autonumber box.

The boxes don't effect the printed output at all. As far as I've been
able to determine, they are markers that point to the file I used to
create these files.

The first file, the one with the T, I renamed to a new name.  The T
marker points to the original name of the document.

The other four files, one with a T and three with a box marker, all
point to the file I copied to create those four files.

I've been looking through my two reference books (Adobe's User Guide
and Adobe's Classroom in a Book) and the online help, but I haven't
been able to narrow it down further than they appear to be related to
coping and/or renaming the files.

Deirdre

On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint <Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com> wrote:
> Is there a Tab or Space character in the Autonumber definition for the
> Title paragraph? The only way to get rid of those is to edit the
> Autonumber properties. Do these boxes affect the printed output? It
> could also be a bullet or symbol character of some kind.
>
> Clint
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:deirdre.reagan at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:13 PM
> To: Owen, Clint; Framer's List
> Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
>
> Thanks, Clint.
>
> The outline box is a little box that is appearing before the first
> letter of the text.  I tried to delete it and it moved to behind the
> text.
>
> Thank you for setting my mind at ease about these not affecting the
> text.  I'm being asked to make changes to these documents and I'm
> learning as I'm going, so I don't want to remove the one thing that
> causes the whole document to crash.
>
> Deirdre
>
>
> On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint <Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com> wrote:
> > The extra markers won't hurt anything, like affecting the printed copy
>
> > or some such. They don't take up any space in the line. When you go to
>
> > add a new cross-reference they will show up as possible destinations
> > you can choose from. The only way to get rid of them is to delete the
> > containing paragraph.
> >
> > I am not sure what you mean by "outline boxes". Are these showing up
> > in your output or moving other characters in the paragraph around? If
> > so, they could be cross-references to empty paragraphs, or paragraphs
> > with only "space" characters, or something like that.
> >
> > If you hold the "CTRL" and "ALT" keys and click on a cross-reference,
> > you will be taken to the source of the reference, which might give you
>
> > a clue as to its origin. This works in the TOC if you notice a typo
> > and want to go directly to the source to fix it.
> >
> > Clint
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:deirdre.reagan at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:54 PM
> > To: Owen, Clint
> > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
> >
> > I did what Clive suggested, used the Marker menu item to identify the
> > marker, and both the bold T (not upside down, but T) and the box are
> > cross-references.
> >
> > One bold T marks a cross-reference to that chapter's old name (I
> > renamed the chapter).
> >
> > The other bold T and all the outline boxes cross-reference a chapter I
>
> > copied and renamed to create those chapters.
> >
> > Is this normal behavior and should I be worried?  Can I get rid of
> > these markers?  They won't delete.  Do I want to get rid of them?  Do
> > I want to keep them?
> >
> > Any advice would be much appreciated!
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan <deirdre.reagan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thank you Clint!
> > >
> > > On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint <Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com> wrote:
> > > > Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That
> > > > can be the source of strange characters.
> > > >
> > > > As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several
> > > > different
> >
> > > > kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to
> > > > that
> >
> > > > paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing
> > > > paragraph is deleted.
> > > >
> > > > Try this: go to Special >> Marker, then highlight the area of the
> > > > paragraph where the "T" is. The Marker Text box will tell you what
>
> > > > kind of marker it is.
> > > >
> > > > Clint
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace &
> > > > Electronics |
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
>
> > > > Reagan
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM
> > > > To: Framer's List
> > > > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
> > > >
> > > > And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in
> > > > front of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T
> > > > in front of them.
> > > >
> > > > I thought the bold T meant cross-reference?  I still don't know
> > > > what
> >
> > > > the outlined box means.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Deirdre
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan <deirdre.reagan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi all:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC.
> > > > >
> > > > > The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and
> > > > > the
> >
> > > > > whole thing is tagged Chapter Title.
> > > > >
> > > > > Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable.
> > > > > Neither the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced
> > > > > in the rest of the document, as far as I can tell.  One
> > > > > paragraph tag
> >
> > > > > has an asterisk
> > > >
> > > > > in front of it, but the other one doesn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the
> > > > > variable.  I
> > > >
> > > > > don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an
>
> > > > > asterisk.
> > > > >
> > > > > Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the
> > > > > TOC,
> >
> > > > > would have different symbols or none at all in front of them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error
> > > > > messages, but the symbols all remained the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Deirdre
> > > > >
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