Framers Digest, Vol 29, Issue 14
orandeep at comcast.net
orandeep at comcast.net
Sat Mar 15 09:14:09 PDT 2008
Hi Gary
When I tried to open your TempNext file I got a message that it needed as "converter". Did you get a new version of Word that is not compatible with earlier versions or is it a corrupt file? I am opening other Word inputs without issue.
Sometimes e-mail will mess up an attachment.
Please re-send.
If a new Word version, please downsave to an earlier version.
Thanks
Oran
PS: you are the April cover car. Nice write-up.
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> 1. RE: FM abruptly closes with no save (Diane Gaskill)
> 2. Re: FM abruptly closes with no save (Yves Barbion)
> 3. Re: IXgen Key Word (Art Campbell)
> 4. Re: FM abruptly closes with no save (Mike Wickham)
> 5. RE: FM abruptly closes with no save (richard.melanson at us.tel.com)
> 6. FM*.TMP files cause Instability (Owen, Clint)
> 7. Recovery (Harold Winberg)
> 8. RE: Recovery (Michael O'Neill)
> 9. Re: Recovery (Art Campbell)
> 10. RE: Recovery (Gagne, Bernard (Bolton))
> 11. RE: Recovery (Fred Ridder)
> 12. Re: Recovery (Stuart Rogers)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:02:59 -0800
> From: "Diane Gaskill"
> Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
> To:
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Framers,
>
> I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently
> experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with when
> using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the
> time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it
> comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no
> nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me?
>
> I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so I
> need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps
> I can send.
>
> I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about
> their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list
> is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the
> more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug
> and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me.
>
> Diane Gaskill
> (former tech support engineer)
> =================================
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Brewster,
> Christopher C
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
>
>
> I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process
> again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think
> software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply
> closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the
> step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennisb at kvmr.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM
> To: Shmuel Wolfson
> Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
>
>
>
> Hi...
>
> No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics,
> FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if
> other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no
> "rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with
> multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or
> more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash.
>
> Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com
>
> **********************************************
>
> At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>
>
>
> I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel
> graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded
> graphics to appear.
>
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 052-763-7133
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:20:56 +0100
> From: Yves Barbion
> Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
> To: Diane Gaskill
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Message-ID: <47DA4378.8000008 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Indeed Diane,
>
> I have also experienced some crashes with Frame 8 (and I'm also running
> XPSP2 with 2 GB of RAM). When I did the same actions in Frame 7.2,
> everything was fine.
>
> I do hope the Adobe people are monitoring this list and that we get a
> patch soon which makes Frame 8.0 crash-proof.
>
> Stability has always been one of the key features of FrameMaker. I hope
> I can keep emphasizing this in my future Frame sales pitches.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Yves Barbion
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> Scripto
> Belgium
>
>
>
> Diane Gaskill wrote:
> > Hi Framers,
> >
> > I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently
> > experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with when
> > using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the
> > time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it
> > comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no
> > nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me?
> >
> > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so I
> > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps
> > I can send.
> >
> > I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about
> > their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list
> > is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the
> > more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug
> > and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me.
> >
> > Diane Gaskill
> > (former tech support engineer)
> > =================================
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Brewster,
> > Christopher C
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
> >
> >
> > I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process
> > again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think
> > software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply
> > closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the
> > step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennisb at kvmr.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM
> > To: Shmuel Wolfson
> > Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi...
> >
> > No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics,
> > FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if
> > other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no
> > "rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with
> > multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or
> > more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash.
> >
> > Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> > eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com
> >
> > **********************************************
> >
> > At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel
> > graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded
> > graphics to appear.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Shmuel Wolfson
> > 052-763-7133
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:52:25 -0400
> From: "Art Campbell"
> Subject: Re: IXgen Key Word
> To: "Harold Winberg" , "Frame
> Users"
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Harold/Les,
> You're missing a step somewhere.
> 1. Word file, one keyword to a line.
> 2. Save as .txt file.
> 3. Open .txt in Frame.
> 4. Select all keyword lines.
> 5. Table > Convert para to table....
> 6. Select one column
> 7. Convert. Clean up if necessary (remove tabs, extra characters, etc.)
> 8. Select the column. Copy.
> 9. In the IXGen table, add enough rows to hold the new keywords.
> 10. Click in the first empty row. Paste. If paste options are
> available, select Replace existing cells.
>
> That's it.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Harold Winberg
> wrote:
> > Hello Art
> >
> > I tried the method and there is a catch, you can paste the text into one
> > cell but can't convert to table-no option. If I convert the table in FM
> > to text and then paste the Word text and try to convert all back to
> > table, it is weird.
> >
> > If I paste into a new FM doc and convert to table and try to paste the
> > cells into the Key word doc, it won't give me the paste option.
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:02 PM
> > To: Harold Winberg; Frame Users
> > Subject: Re: IXgen Key Word
> >
> > Sure,
> > Open the Word (even better, a text) file in Frame. If you do open Word
> > directly, be sure to clean it of hidden characters by saving it as MIF
> > and reopening.
> > You should end up with a FM file with the keywords, one to a line.
> > Select them and convert to a table. You should end up with a single
> > column, one keyword to a cell.
> > Open the IXGen keyword table and follow the directions to add X number
> > of rows.
> > Copy the column of new words. Paste into the IXGen table, replacing
> > the empty cells in the keyword column
> >
> > ***
> > You may want to review the IXGen doc, too.
> >
> > Art
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Harold Winberg
> > wrote:
> > > Hello Framers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a question about the key word list.
> > a>
> > > My boss gave me a Word doc with some key words and told me there was
> > a
> > > way to put them into the frame template all at once. I can re-type or
> > > cut & paste one by one but is there really a way to insert these
> > words
> > > all at once into individual cells of the table in the FM Key Word
> > > template?
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
> > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> > No disclaimers apply.
> > DoD 358
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> No disclaimers apply.
> DoD 358
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:58:40 -0500
> From: "Mike Wickham"
> Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
> To: "Diane Gaskill" ,
>
> Message-ID: <019b01c885d3$2058bfe0$0b00a8c0 at plecopress>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so
> > I
> > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of
> > dumps
> > I can send.
>
> Adobe has a bug report form at this address:
> http://www.adobe.com/misc/bugreport.html
>
> I've had them ask for sample files after I've reported a bug.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:29:27 -0400
> From:
> Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
> To: ,
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Same here
> Frame 8 with latest patch, 2 gig RAM, Dell Latitude laptop. These symptoms are
> the exact same as I have experienced. Frame 7.2 ran just fine.
> Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 5:21 AM
> To: Diane Gaskill
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
>
> Indeed Diane,
>
> I have also experienced some crashes with Frame 8 (and I'm also running
> XPSP2 with 2 GB of RAM). When I did the same actions in Frame 7.2, everything
> was fine.
>
> I do hope the Adobe people are monitoring this list and that we get a patch soon
> which makes Frame 8.0 crash-proof.
>
> Stability has always been one of the key features of FrameMaker. I hope I can
> keep emphasizing this in my future Frame sales pitches.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Yves Barbion
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> Scripto
> Belgium
>
>
>
> Diane Gaskill wrote:
> > Hi Framers,
> >
> > I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently
> > experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with when
> > using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the
> > time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it
> > comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no
> > nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me?
> >
> > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so I
> > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps
> > I can send.
> >
> > I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about
> > their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list
> > is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the
> > more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug
> > and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me.
> >
> > Diane Gaskill
> > (former tech support engineer)
> > =================================
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Brewster,
> > Christopher C
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
> >
> >
> > I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process
> > again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think
> > software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply
> > closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the
> > step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennisb at kvmr.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM
> > To: Shmuel Wolfson
> > Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi...
> >
> > No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics,
> > FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if
> > other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no
> > "rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with
> > multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or
> > more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash.
> >
> > Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> > eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com
> >
> > **********************************************
> >
> > At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel
> > graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded
> > graphics to appear.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Shmuel Wolfson
> > 052-763-7133
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:45:13 -0700
> From: "Owen, Clint"
> Subject: FM*.TMP files cause Instability
> To:
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>
>
>
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> This might not be relevant to FM8 or to the current discussion, but it
> does cause similar instability problems on FM7, running under XP.
>
> We found that FrameMaker creates temporary files in C:\documents and
> settings\username\local settings\temp\. These files (fm*.tmp) seem to
> accumulate and never get deleted automatically. Eventually some magic
> number is reached and FM becomes unstable. My co-worker had over 50,000
> of these on her machine! You can use a batch file to clean them out, or
> you can run Disk Cleanup from the Windows control panel, which will also
> fix it.
>
> HTH,
>
> Clint
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:58:50 -0400
> From: "Harold Winberg"
> Subject: Recovery
> To:
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Hello Framers
>
>
>
> I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open
> file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists.
>
>
>
> There is a recovered version in the folder.
>
>
>
> What is the safe thing to do??
>
>
>
> Les Winberg
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:12:06 -0500
> From: "Michael O'Neill"
> Subject: RE: Recovery
> To: "Harold Winberg" ,
>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Here's what I would do:
>
> 1) Back up a copy of both the original and the recovered versions to
> someplace safe.
> 2) Open the recovered version in FrameMaker.
> 3) Open the original version in FrameMaker (might have to force it).
> 4) Compare the differences between the two versions using FrameMaker's
> compare feature. (File-> Utilities-> Compare Documents) Select the
> "Summary and Composite Documents" option when doing so.
> 5) See which version has the most up-to-date information. Save that
> version over the original version.
>
> Note: I just sort of developed this method by intuition. I'd be glad to
> hear if anyone does something different/there are problems with my
> method/easier ways to determine whether or not to go with a recovery
> version of a .fm file.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harold
> Winberg
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:59 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Recovery
>
> Hello Framers
>
>
>
> I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open
> file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists.
>
>
>
> There is a recovered version in the folder.
>
>
>
> What is the safe thing to do??
>
>
>
> Les Winberg
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:33:17 -0400
> From: "Art Campbell"
> Subject: Re: Recovery
> To: "Harold Winberg"
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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> I'd check the file modification times and file sizes for large
> differences, but in general, open the recovered version.
>
> If there's missing info, open the original's backup copy, assuming you
> have auto backups turned on. And then open the original. (The opening
> order is important, so you don't overwrite the backup.)
>
> If necessary, use the compare utility, but in most cases you'll either
> remember what you were working on or notice chunks of missing info.
>
> Art
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Harold Winberg
> wrote:
> > Hello Framers
> >
> > I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open
> > file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists.
> >
> > There is a recovered version in the folder.
> > What is the safe thing to do??
>
> > Les Winberg
>
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:59:47 -0400
> From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)"
> Subject: RE: Recovery
> To:
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> I usually do the same thing, except I change the "recover" in the
> filename to something like a date. That way Frame doesn't complain that
> it sees a recovery file and opens the two files without any hassle.
>
> Berny Gagne
> Lead Writer
> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
> Bolton, Ontario, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> O'Neill
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:12 PM
> To: Harold Winberg; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Recovery
>
> Here's what I would do:
>
> 1) Back up a copy of both the original and the recovered versions to
> someplace safe.
> 2) Open the recovered version in FrameMaker.
> 3) Open the original version in FrameMaker (might have to force it).
> 4) Compare the differences between the two versions using FrameMaker's
> compare feature. (File-> Utilities-> Compare Documents) Select the
> "Summary and Composite Documents" option when doing so.
> 5) See which version has the most up-to-date information. Save that
> version over the original version.
>
> Note: I just sort of developed this method by intuition. I'd be glad to
> hear if anyone does something different/there are problems with my
> method/easier ways to determine whether or not to go with a recovery
> version of a .fm file.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harold
> Winberg
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:59 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Recovery
>
> Hello Framers
>
>
>
> I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open
> file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists.
>
>
>
> There is a recovered version in the folder.
>
>
>
> What is the safe thing to do??
>
>
>
> Les Winberg
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:01:15 -0400
> From: Fred Ridder
> Subject: RE: Recovery
> To: Art Campbell , Harold Winberg
>
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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>
> Responding to Les Winberg, Art Campbell wrote:
> > I'd check the file modification times and file sizes for large
> > differences, but in general, open the recovered version.
> >
> > If there's missing info, open the original's backup copy, assuming you
> > have auto backups turned on. And then open the original. (The opening
> > order is important, so you don't overwrite the backup.)
> >
> > If necessary, use the compare utility, but in most cases you'll either
> > remember what you were working on or notice chunks of missing info.
>
> I feel compelled to once again point out that the .backup files produced
> by FrameMaker are not real backups. A file with the .backup secondary
> extension is nothing more nor less than the last-saved version of the
> document with a secondary filename extension. If you only go 10 minutes
> between saves (and who of us ever saves *that* frequently), the
> "backup" might be quite fresh. But the reality is that it is always one save
> (i.e., one set of edits) behind the primary file.
>
> A recover file, on the other hand, generally represents fresher content
> than the primary file, but might be corrupted in some way because
> it represents the state of the file close to the time that FrameMaker
> "unexpectedly exited" (i.e., crashed).
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:11:48 -0400
> From: Stuart Rogers
> Subject: Re: Recovery
> To: Fred Ridder
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Message-ID: <47DAEA14.50806 at phoenix-geophysics.com>
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> Fred Ridder wrote:
> > If you only go 10 minutes
> > between saves (and who of us ever saves *that* frequently),
>
>
> Well, those of us who are also forced (kicking & screaming) to work in
> MS Word from time to time all probably have the Alt-S-every-two-minutes
> obsessive-compulsive habit...
>
> Come to think of it, I guess I have to thank Word's behaviour for
> causing me to almost never lose more than a couple of minutes of work in
> any program I use...
>
> Have a good weekend, all :-)
>
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
>
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>
> I'll stop saying Microsoft is arrogant when
> Windows stops saying "Welcome" and instead asks "May I?"
>
>
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