SV: Acrobat Options...
Jacob Schäffer
js at grafikhuset.dk
Thu Mar 27 14:42:03 PDT 2008
Perhaps I missed something important in regard to the PDF-format, so I have to make my point clear.
PDF is itself a VERY accurate format. A PDF document is NOT itself scaled to ANY extend. So, why this request at all. I simply don't understand it, UNLESS you ASSUME the PDF is output via a print channel. In that case your bets are extremely poor, since it actually IS allowed -- by concept -- to scale ANY document, by ANY application or printer driver, at print time.
I certainly hope that Adobe is reasonable enough to NOT implement any feature into the PDF format that disallow scaling at print time.
Vendors that accept PDF documents for purpose-specific subsequent processing should accept to process native PDF documents as they are. If they cannot do that -- for whatever reason, though likely because they do not have modern equipment -- they should be wise enough to NOT apply scaling in any way at print time. Anything else, for any post-process, would be their own responsibility.
Hence, the request from Lester would not have any meaning at all UNLESS Lester doubt about his vendor-capabilities. If so, find another vendor, or teach him what to do :-)
Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Schäffer | Chief Developer
Paradis Allé 22, Ramløse
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Phone: +45 4439 4400
Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
Web: www.grafikhuset.net
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sendt: 27. marts 2008 22:25
> Til: Lester C. Smalley
> Cc: Jacob Schäffer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Emne: Re: Acrobat Options...
>
>
> Lester,
> In passing, we didn't find a good way to ensure the size in
> the PDF because there's no control over the printing engine.
> We included dimensions on the drawing so someone could
> measure a known space and verify that the template was good
> or not, but that was all we could do.
>
> Cheers,
> Art
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Lester C. Smalley
> <lsmalley at infocon.com> wrote:
> > Precisely - there is a physical layout diagram that must
> print at the
> > exact size. I could care less if they want to scale the
> VIEW of the
> > PDF online, but it has to print correctly.
> >
> > To my mind, making PDF arbitrarily scalable is the
> off-beat. I want
> > to create an electronic version that exactly mimics the original
> > printed version.
> >
> >
> > - Lester
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com
> > Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX:
> 302-239-1712
> > Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > | -----Original Message-----
> > | From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> > | Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 04:48 PM
> > | To: Jacob Schäffer
> > | Cc: Lester C. Smalley; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > | Subject: Re: Acrobat Options...
> > |
> > | Not to step on Lester's toes at all, but we recently had
> the same
> > | experience, setting up installation manuals for lighting
> fixture |
> > installations. |
> > | We wanted to include a full size template in the manual that an
> > | installer could use to drill mounting holes for the
> fixture. But if
> > | the PDF document was resized at all during printing, the drilling
> > | template wouldn't be accurate.
> > |
> > | So it's not an uncommon request.
> > |
> > | Art
> > |
> > | On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Jacob Schäffer
> <js at grafikhuset.dk>
> > | wrote:
> > | > I'd like to hear why you want that.
> > | >
> > | > The PDF format itself is quite scalable and putting
> some unscaleable
> > | elements into it seem a bit offset from the understandable.
> > | >
> > | > Please explain your purpose.
> > | >
> > | > Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
> > | > Jacob Schäffer | Chief Developer
> > | > Paradis Allé 22, Ramløse
> > | > DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
> > | > Phone: +45 4439 4400
> > | > Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
> > | > Web: www.grafikhuset.net
> > | >
> > | > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > | > > Fra: Lester C. Smalley
> >
> >
> > | > > Sendt: 27. marts 2008 18:01
> > | > > Til: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > | > > Emne: Acrobat Options...
> > | > >
> > | > > I believe I know the answer to this already, but
> wanted to | >
> > > confirm with folks here. | > >
> > | > > FM 7.2 (Structured) and Acrobat 7 Pro on Windows XP, both
> > | > > up-to-date on patches. PDF's are generated by printing to the
> > | > > Adobe PDF virtual printer instance.
> > | > >
> > | > > I have an issue where information must appear at the original
> > | > > native size even when printed, yet many reader's copy of the
> > | > > viewer will scale the page when actually printing it. I know
> > | > > that I can tell the recipients to change the print option in
> > | > > their copy to not scale or center the pages, but I would love
> > | > > to avoid that necessity if at all possible.
> > | > >
> > | > > Is there any way to set options for printing the resulting
> > | > > PDF in what I create, either from FM or in Acrobat before I
> > | > > share the PDF with the reviewers and end users ?
> > | > >
> > | > > Any advice or solutions will be greatly appreciated.
> > | > >
> > | > >
> > | > > - Lester
> > | > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > | > > Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT
> infocon DOT com
> > | > > Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942
> FAX: 302-239-1712
> > | > > Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com
> > | > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > |
> > | --
> > | Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
> > | "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats
> a '52 Vincent
> > | and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> > | No disclaimers apply.
> > | DoD 358
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> No disclaimers apply.
> DoD 358
>
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