Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing printers, etc.

[Dov Isaacs]

The last version of Acrobat to have the "13 base fonts" was Acrobat 3;
They were not shipped with any newer version of Acrobat.

        - Dov

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacob Schäffer [mailto:js at grafikhuset.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:33 PM
>
> Dov said:
>
> <Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe PDF) printer default won't solve the
> problem since Times is not a native font of the Distiller.>
>
> I believe that anyone old enough (like me) to own a license to Distiller 3 actually have the Base 13
> font files in Type 1 format handy (4 x Times, 4 x Helvetica, 4 x Courier and Symbol).
>
> I'm unsure about licensing, though, especially if you upgraded from Acrobat 3. In case of *upgrade*
> the newer license agreement may supersede the older version license, and since the base 13 fonts was
> removed from 4 (or 5, I'm unsure which version, actually) your current license agreement may not cover
> use of the old version fonts.
>
> Dov, what is correct here ???
>
> Best regards
> Jacob Schäffer
> Grafikhuset
> Denmark
>
>
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] På vegne af Dov Isaacs
> > Sendt: 10. september 2008 21:19
> > Til: Art Campbell; Inbar, Paul
> > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Emne: RE: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing
> > printers, etc.
> >
> >
> > The original problem reported by Paul stems from the Windows
> > "phantom phont phenomena!" Windows font enumeration, used by
> > standard Windows applications (such as FrameMaker), allows
> > printer drivers to insert font information to be passed back
> > to the application even if such fonts are not actually
> > installed on the system. PostScript printer drivers (and
> > specifically, the standard PSCRIPT5 driver of Windows 2000,
> > XP, and Vista) enumerates all fonts found in the PPD file -
> > for Adobe PostScript 3 devices, this could be up to 136
> > fonts! PCL drivers often enumerate fonts built into the printer.
> >
> > If you actually try to use a phantom phont in your document
> > and the font is indeed printer-resident for the printer you
> > have set as the current print device, Windows will substitute
> > something on the screen and your output will use the printer
> > version of that font.
> >
> > The workaround that I have advocated for over seven years
> > (first documented as part of a workaround for the infamous
> > Zapf Dingbats problem - see
> > <http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.ef4dc7a>) is to edit all
> > PostScript printer PPD files, either prior to doing a
> > PostScript printer driver instance installation or afterwards
> > (both are tricky) to eliminate ALL font references except one
> > - you must keep the line that defines Courier. Once such an
> > edit is made, the driver no longer enumerates
> > printer-resident, i.e., phantom, fonts to application programs.
> >
> > Note that applications that bypass the OS font enumeration
> > (such as Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, and Acrobat)
> > aren't phooled by the phantom phont phenomena!
> >
> > Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe
> > PDF) printer default won't solve the problem since Times is
> > not a native font of the Distiller.
> >
> > If you really want/need Times, you have the following options:
> >
> > (1)     Change all occurrences of "Times" in your documents
> > and templates
> > to "Times New Roman" remembering that "Times New Roman" is in
> > fact a different font than "Times" although Microsoft (via
> > Monotype) endeavored to keep the "set widths" of the
> > characters in Times New Roman the same as those of Times to
> > minimize the chance of line ending differences.
> >
> > (2)     If you have a Xerox printer that uses Adobe
> > PostScript, it came with
> > a CD or DVD with host-based versions of the printer resident
> > fonts. You can install the fonts you need from that CD onto
> > your computer.
> >
> > (3)     You can license either the Type 1 version of Times
> > from Adobe or
> > with changes to your document for the font name, the OpenType
> > version, Times LT Std and install that font on your system.
> >
> >         - Dov