Buying FrameMaker 7.2 (WAS: Framers Digest, Vol 52, Issue 12)
Fei Min Lorente
FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com
Fri Feb 12 08:14:00 PST 2010
Hi Venkan:
I don't think it can be done. Adobe is on FrameMaker version 9, and they
typically pull all the older versions off the shelves everywhere. Maybe
you can get a second-hand copy on eBay, but I'm only speculating.
Fei Min
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Hi
Can anyone help how to buy the FrameMaker 7.2 License Version.
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Today's Topics:
1. Benchmarking: Save as PDF in FM9 vs. FM8 (Yves Barbion)
2. Re: Benchmarking: Save as PDF in FM9 vs. FM8 (Art Campbell)
3. FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED] (mathieu jacquet)
4. Re: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED] (Peter Gold)
5. FM9 bug: Hyperlinks in *IOR.fm don't work (Yves Barbion)
6. RE: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED]
(Combs, Richard)
7. FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 (Fei Min Lorente)
8. RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 (Jeff Coatsworth)
9. RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9 (Pinkham, Jim)
10. Converting Rows to Headers (Howard Rauch)
11. Re: Converting Rows to Headers (Art Campbell)
12. Re: Converting Rows to Headers (Stuart Rogers)
13. RE: Converting Rows to Headers (Diane Gaskill)
14. Re: Converting Rows to Headers (Writer)
15. "below" building block in X-Refs (Jon Harvey)
16. RE: "below" building block in X-Refs (Rick Quatro)
17. RE: Converting Rows to Headers (Combs, Richard)
18. Re: "below" building block in X-Refs (Peter Gold)
19. RE: "below" building block in X-Refs (Fred Ridder)
20. Utilities for FM 8 (Joe Malin)
21. Re: FM 9 books (Ray Saffin)
22. Table Issues (George, Brenda (CAI))
23. Re: Utilities for FM 8 (Art Campbell)
24. Re: Utilities for FM 8 (Scott Prentice)
25. Re: Utilities for FM 8 (Steve Rickaby)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:00:57 +0100
From: Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
Subject: Benchmarking: Save as PDF in FM9 vs. FM8
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Hi group
I've done the following test in FM9 and 8: save 74-page book as PDF.
These
are the results:
FM9:
Acrobat Distiller starts after: 1 min. 40 s
PDF displayed in Acrobat after: 2 min. 59 s
FM8:
Acrobat Distiller starts after: 18 (!) s
PDF displayed in Acrobat after: 1 min. 23 s
I've tested this a couple of times and I got similar results.
Does anyone have any idea why FM9 is so much slower?
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:05:57 -0500
From: Art Campbell <art.campbell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Benchmarking: Save as PDF in FM9 vs. FM8
To: Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Because you're using SaveAs, which in FM 9 has it's own processes and
job option switches.
If you run each by printing to the Acrobat logical printer and select
the same job options, I suspect the numbers will be comparable.
Art Campbell
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi group
>
> I've done the following test in FM9 and 8: save 74-page book as PDF.
> These
> are the results:
>
> FM9:
> Acrobat Distiller starts after: 1 min. 40 s
> PDF displayed in Acrobat after: 2 min. 59 s
>
> FM8:
> Acrobat Distiller starts after: 18 (!) s
> PDF displayed in Acrobat after: 1 min. 23 s
>
> I've tested this a couple of times and I got similar results.
>
> Does anyone have any idea why FM9 is so much slower?
>
>
>
> Yves Barbion
> www.scripto.nu
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:10:25 +0000
From: mathieu jacquet <bobitch at hotmail.com>
Subject: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED]
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Hi all,
if ever you're experiencing similar problems, here is what the support
replied:
"Unfortunately, FrameMaker 9 is not certified to be supported on the
64-bit edition of Windows Vista. However, please find attached a
technical note from our database. It will allow you to fix your problem.
Please read http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/406/kb406893.html".
Cheers,
Mathieu.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:31:47 -0600
From: Peter Gold <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Subject: Re: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED]
To: mathieu jacquet <bobitch at hotmail.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Thanks for the pointer, Mathieu.
Just reading all the maintenance in the technote is exhausting.
Performing all the steps could become one's new career.
Aside from Adobe building 64-bit Windows Vista compatibility into
FrameMaker 9, developing and offering a couple of utilities that
report some of the system information that needs to be collected. For
example, checking the OS version and patch level, RAM, disk free
space, listing files in %temp%, currently-running applications, VRAM,
video-card driver, etc, and reporting the information with comments
where appropriate, such as "These resources don't meet requirements:
(list them)."
Regards,
Peter
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM, mathieu jacquet <bobitch at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> if ever you're experiencing similar problems, here is what the support
replied:
>
> "Unfortunately, FrameMaker 9 is not certified to be supported on the
64-bit edition of Windows Vista. However, please find attached a
technical note from our database. It will allow you to fix your problem.
Please read http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/406/kb406893.html".
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mathieu.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:09 +0100
From: Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
Subject: FM9 bug: Hyperlinks in *IOR.fm don't work
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Hi
I'm using FM9 on Windows XP, SP3
I have generated an index of references (imported graphics), but when I
click on one of the hyperlinked entries, FM9 is unable to show me the
graphic on the respective page. I do see that the tab of the respective
file
(chapter) becomes active, but the page itself is not "brought to front".
To
see the page, I have to minimize the IOR window.
I get the same behavior in the various workspaces.
Is this a known UI bug?
Cheers
--
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:28:07 -0700
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
Subject: RE: FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED]
To: <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
<2D6EB362BFB0CC4A95CC3FC0C2F19F86016B56C9 at wstexch03.westminster.polycom.
com>
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Peter Gold wrote:
> Just reading all the maintenance in the technote is exhausting.
> Performing all the steps could become one's new career.
I think it's a pretty good troubleshooting guide, with much of it
applicable to troubleshooting any software problem, not specific to FM.
And as with any troubleshooting/diagnostic procedure, you continue only
until you've identified the problem. So hopefully, you never have to
perform _all_ the steps. :-)
> Aside from Adobe building 64-bit Windows Vista compatibility into
> FrameMaker 9, developing and offering a couple of utilities that
> report some of the system information that needs to be collected. For
> example, checking the OS version and patch level, RAM, disk free
> space, listing files in %temp%, currently-running applications, VRAM,
> video-card driver, etc, and reporting the information with comments
> where appropriate, such as "These resources don't meet requirements:
> (list them)."
Virtually everything on that list is available in the System Information
utility that you can access from the About box of an MS Office
application.
Alternatively, you can use one of the bazillion freeware/shareware sys
info/diagnostic utilities available. There's no need for Adobe to add
yet another to the pile.
This is standard information about your system that a support tech would
probably ask you for and that you should know or know how to find.
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:31:43 -0700
From: "Fei Min Lorente" <FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com>
Subject: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Sorry for the re-question, but I simply can't find the old thread.
I remember someone recently asking about producing PDFs using Acrobat 9,
but they were still using FrameMaker 7.2. I think the answer was that
Acrobat 9 doesn't support FrameMaker 7.2, but that FM 7.2 might be able
to produce PDFs anyway, just not through Save As. Can someone please
refresh my memory?
I'm currently using FM 7.2 on Windows XP and Acrobat 6.0 Pro. I'm
thinking we have to upgrade Acrobat to 9 Pro because I have to do online
reviews that way. We are using FinalDraft, but now that the company has
forced us to use IE8, the reviewers are experiencing problems with
FinalDraft. Looks like it's time to move on.
Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online
reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer
having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying the
software to produce an online-reviewable document, but don't want to
have to pay for the software for the reviewers.
Most of them are structured documents, so I could export to XML, if
that's any help.
Fei Min
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:45:30 -0500
From: Jeff Coatsworth <jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com>
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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For pulling shared PDF reviews back into the FM source docs, check out
RJ Jacquez's blog posting of his demo.
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Lorente
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Subject: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9
Sorry for the re-question, but I simply can't find the old thread.
I remember someone recently asking about producing PDFs using Acrobat 9,
but they were still using FrameMaker 7.2. I think the answer was that
Acrobat 9 doesn't support FrameMaker 7.2, but that FM 7.2 might be able
to produce PDFs anyway, just not through Save As. Can someone please
refresh my memory?
I'm currently using FM 7.2 on Windows XP and Acrobat 6.0 Pro. I'm
thinking we have to upgrade Acrobat to 9 Pro because I have to do online
reviews that way. We are using FinalDraft, but now that the company has
forced us to use IE8, the reviewers are experiencing problems with
FinalDraft. Looks like it's time to move on.
Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online
reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer
having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying the
software to produce an online-reviewable document, but don't want to
have to pay for the software for the reviewers.
Most of them are structured documents, so I could export to XML, if
that's any help.
Fei Min
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Senior Technical Communicator
Medical Division
ON Semiconductor
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:30:40 -0600
From: "Pinkham, Jim" <Jim.Pinkham at voith.com>
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9
To: "Jeff Coatsworth" <jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com>,
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FWIW, Jeff, we've been using 7.1 with Acrobat 9 for months with no
issues.
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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:46 AM
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Subject: RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9
For pulling shared PDF reviews back into the FM source docs, check out
RJ Jacquez's blog posting of his demo.
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Lorente
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:32 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9
Sorry for the re-question, but I simply can't find the old thread.
I remember someone recently asking about producing PDFs using Acrobat 9,
but they were still using FrameMaker 7.2. I think the answer was that
Acrobat 9 doesn't support FrameMaker 7.2, but that FM 7.2 might be able
to produce PDFs anyway, just not through Save As. Can someone please
refresh my memory?
I'm currently using FM 7.2 on Windows XP and Acrobat 6.0 Pro. I'm
thinking we have to upgrade Acrobat to 9 Pro because I have to do online
reviews that way. We are using FinalDraft, but now that the company has
forced us to use IE8, the reviewers are experiencing problems with
FinalDraft. Looks like it's time to move on.
Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online
reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer
having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying the
software to produce an online-reviewable document, but don't want to
have to pay for the software for the reviewers.
Most of them are structured documents, so I could export to XML, if
that's any help.
Fei Min
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Medical Division
ON Semiconductor
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:58:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Howard Rauch <techtransfer at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Converting Rows to Headers
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Frame 7.0 (my clients have not?caught up to FM9 yet)
Windows XP Pro
I have a number of multipage tables?for which I need to convert the
first two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the only
method I've found that works is to set up a new blank table?having two
header rows?and then copy the original table into the new?one. It seems
to me that with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows into header
rows. Am I missing something? I've checked Help and found it to be of no
help in this regard.
Howard Rauch
?
Technology Transfer, Inc.
"Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-1782
????????920-629-0080
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:02:03 -0500
From: Art Campbell <art.campbell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Converting Rows to Headers
To: Howard Rauch <techtransfer at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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You're missing Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug in, a great tool that
does this conversion as well as a host of other table-related stuff.
It's a critical piece of my tool kit...
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm
If you have a herd of these to do, Rick could probably whip up a
FrameScript that would do this at the book or directory level...
Art
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Howard Rauch
<techtransfer at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Frame 7.0 (my clients have not?caught up to FM9 yet)
> Windows XP Pro
>
> I have a number of multipage tables?for which I need to convert the
> first
two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the only
method I've found that works is to set up a new blank table?having two
header rows?and then copy the original table into the new?one. It seems
to me that with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows into header
rows. Am I missing something? I've checked Help and found it to be of no
help in this regard.
>
> Howard Rauch
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-1782
> ????????920-629-0080
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:09:10 -0500
From: Stuart Rogers <srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com>
Subject: Re: Converting Rows to Headers
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, "techtransfer at sbcglobal.net >>
Howard Rauch" <techtransfer at sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4B7439B6.2060006 at phoenix-geophysics.com>
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On 11/02/2010 11:58 AM, Howard Rauch wrote:
> Frame 7.0 (my clients have not caught up to FM9 yet) Windows XP Pro
>
> I have a number of multipage tables for which I need to convert the
> first two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the
> only method I've found that works is to set up a new blank table
> having two header rows and then copy the original table into the new
> one. It seems to me that with its power, FM could easily convert body
> rows into header rows. Am I missing something? I've checked Help and
> found it to be of no help in this regard.
>
Table > Add Rows or Columns
Add 2 rows To Heading
Cut your first two body rows (Remove Cells from Table) and Paste them
into the Heading rows (Replace Current Rows). You may have to apply pgf
tags to the Heading cells after this operation.
HTH,
--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:14:09 -0800
From: "Diane Gaskill" <dgcaller at earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Converting Rows to Headers
To: "Howard Rauch" <techtransfer at sbcglobal.net>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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There is a much faster and easier way to do what you are doing. Use the
tablecleaner plugin from Rick Quatro. Works like a champ, believe me.
We're converting some legacy docs from mewierd to structured FM. I
cleaned
up 100 tables in a 400 page manual, (including changing body rows to
heading
rows in about 30 seconds. Cleans up all the text problems too.
However, it
doesn't take the text string that word uses for table headings and move
it
into the table title field in an FM table. (Hey, Rick, are you
listening?
:-)
Not sure of the price now, but I think I paid $60. ROI: 30 seconds. I
cannot imagine how long it would have taken me to do all that manually.
Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data systems
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Howard Rauch
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:58 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Converting Rows to Headers
Frame 7.0 (my clients have not?caught up to FM9 yet)
Windows XP Pro
I have a number of multipage tables?for which I need to convert the
first
two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the only
method
I've found that works is to set up a new blank table?having two header
rows?and then copy the original table into the new?one. It seems to me
that
with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows into header rows. Am I
missing something? I've checked Help and found it to be of no help in
this
regard.
Howard Rauch
?
Technology Transfer, Inc.
"Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-1782
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:41:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Writer <generic668 at yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Converting Rows to Headers
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, Howard Rauch
<techtransfer at sbcglobal.net>
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I have found that tables have never been FM's strong point. What I find
especially annoying is the inability to split rows across pages.
Nadine
> It seems to
> me that with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows
> into header rows. Am I missing something? I've checked Help
> and found it to be of no help in this regard.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:48:45 -0500
From: "Jon Harvey" <JHarvey at cambridgesoft.com>
Subject: "below" building block in X-Refs
To: "FrameUsers List" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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(FM 9.0, XP Pro)
Everyone,
I'm trying to figure out a way to create an X-Ref format that says "See
'Dogs' {or whatever} below" if the X-Ref and the target 'Dogs' are both
on the same page. I'd like FM to recognize that they are on the same
page so that, if 'Dogs' moves to the next page, the X-Ref automatically
adjusts to read "See 'Dogs' on page xx". Is there any way to do this
without creating two X-Ref style and manually changing from one to the
other?
Jon Harvey
Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation
CambridgeSoft Corporation
100 CambridgePark Drive
Cambridge, MA 02140
(617) 588-9354
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:53:12 -0500
From: "Rick Quatro" <rick at rickquatro.com>
Subject: RE: "below" building block in X-Refs
To: "'Jon Harvey'" <JHarvey at cambridgesoft.com>, "'FrameUsers List'"
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Jon,
There is no way to do this with stock FrameMaker, but this could be done
with a FrameScript script. If you are interested in a FrameScript
solution,
please contact me offlist. Thanks.
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jon Harvey
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:49 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: "below" building block in X-Refs
(FM 9.0, XP Pro)
Everyone,
I'm trying to figure out a way to create an X-Ref format that says "See
'Dogs' {or whatever} below" if the X-Ref and the target 'Dogs' are both
on the same page. I'd like FM to recognize that they are on the same
page so that, if 'Dogs' moves to the next page, the X-Ref automatically
adjusts to read "See 'Dogs' on page xx". Is there any way to do this
without creating two X-Ref style and manually changing from one to the
other?
Jon Harvey
Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation
CambridgeSoft Corporation
100 CambridgePark Drive
Cambridge, MA 02140
(617) 588-9354
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:00:45 -0700
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
Subject: RE: Converting Rows to Headers
To: "Howard Rauch" <techtransfer at sbcglobal.net>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
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Howard Rauch wrote:
> I have a number of multipage tables?for which I need to convert the
> first
> two table body rows (conventional) to header rows. So far the only
> method
> I've found that works is to set up a new blank table?having two header
> rows?and then copy the original table into the new?one. It seems to me
that
> with?its power, FM could easily convert?body rows into header rows. Am
> I
> missing something? I've checked Help and found it to be of no help in
> this
> regard.
Just to reinforce the message you've been getting, I'll add another
enthusiastic endorsement of Rick Quatro's TableCleaner. My ROI period
was longer than Diane's -- maybe as much as half an hour. But even
without a big Word-to-FM conversion project (for which it's
indispensable), the argument for TableCleaner is compelling.
FWIW, I disagree with Nadine. I generally like FM's table functionality
(better than Word's), and _not_ splitting rows across pages is one of
the things I really like. :-)
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:06:24 -0600
From: Peter Gold <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Subject: Re: "below" building block in X-Refs
To: Jon Harvey <JHarvey at cambridgesoft.com>, rick at frameexpert.com
Cc: FrameUsers List <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
<905e72991002111006p66224221r763534c58d7144b1 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
As Rick said, not in stock FrameMaker, nor in stock InDesign CS4 the
first release with built-in cross-references. There is a commercial
InDesign cross-references plug-in from dtptools.com that offers "this
page," "opposite page," "next page," and some other options.
I'm not suggesting that you drop FrameMaker for InDesign for this one
feature. But, I thought Rick might get some ideas from the plug-in's
info page that could develop into a FrameMaker plug-in.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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KnowHow ProServices
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jon Harvey <JHarvey at cambridgesoft.com>
wrote:
> (FM 9.0, XP Pro)
>
>
>
> Everyone,
>
>
>
> I'm trying to figure out a way to create an X-Ref format that says
> "See
> 'Dogs' {or whatever} below" if the X-Ref and the target 'Dogs' are
> both
> on the same page. I'd like FM to recognize that they are on the same
> page so that, if 'Dogs' moves to the next page, the X-Ref
> automatically
> adjusts to read "See 'Dogs' on page xx". ?Is there any way to do this
> without creating two X-Ref style and manually changing from one to the
> other?
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon Harvey
>
> Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation
>
> CambridgeSoft Corporation
>
> 100 CambridgePark Drive
>
> Cambridge, MA 02140
>
> (617) 588-9354
>
>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:19:47 -0500
From: Fred Ridder <docudoc at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: "below" building block in X-Refs
To: <jharvey at cambridgesoft.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W4752B4DAF2833FB6E6390EBA4E0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Jon Harvey wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out a way to create an X-Ref format that says
> "See
> 'Dogs' {or whatever} below" if the X-Ref and the target 'Dogs' are
> both
> on the same page. I'd like FM to recognize that they are on the same
> page so that, if 'Dogs' moves to the next page, the X-Ref
> automatically
> adjusts to read "See 'Dogs' on page xx". Is there any way to do this
> without creating two X-Ref style and manually changing from one to the
> other?
Do you really feel that this adds significant value to your docs? At
each of the last four companies I've worked for, the trend was to reduce
or eliminate this kind of "geographic" cue. But maybe that would have
been different if numbered headings, captions, and table titles hadn't
been the house style in each case...
-Fred Ridder
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:54:51 -0800
From: Joe Malin <jmalin at jmalin.com>
Subject: Utilities for FM 8
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi!
After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured) again
for
a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and
documents,
I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all the
utilities I once used such as Character Tools, Paragraph Tools, etc.
I'm looking for tools that will automatically copy formats, layouts,
master
pages, reference pages, etc. from an existing document to a new one. Is
there a site somewhere that has a list of sources?
Joe Malin
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:01:39 +0000
From: Ray Saffin <rsaffin at serena.com>
Subject: Re: FM 9 books
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
<82cff2061002110201r169ea6c3uf26fc604d2ab0983 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
In TCS2 there is a User Guide PDF (UserGuide.pdf) for FrameMaker 9 that
gets
installed in:
C:\Program Files\Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2\Adobe FrameMaker
9\Documents
This may be a good starting point.
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:41:33 -0700
> From: "Linda G. Gallagher" <lindag at techcomplus.com>
> Subject: FM 9 books
> To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Message-ID: <001801caaaaa$94af9e60$6400000a at LindaDellDec06>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Framers,
>
> Does anyone know of any FM 9 books, aside from the Classroom in a
Book?
> It's
> the only thing I've found that is just FM 9. (I know about Icon
> Logic's
TCS
> 2 book, but that does not fit my need.)
>
> Has anyone used the Classroom in a Book for FM 9? I just requested a
review
> copy, but I'm not sure when I'll receive it. I'd like to know what
> you've
> thought of it for teaching FM 9.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> TechCom Plus, LLC
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> WebWorks ePublisher templates
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:20:17 -0500
From: "George, Brenda (CAI)" <BGeorge at federatedinv.com>
Subject: Table Issues
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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I am importing an XML file into Structured FrameMaker that contains a
table.
The table is being imported into a 2-column text box. The table needs to
stretch across both columns within the text box. When I import the table
it is stretching beyond the text box. How do I format the table so that
it imports across both columns, but does not stretch beyond the text
box?
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:28:24 -0500
From: Art Campbell <art.campbell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Utilities for FM 8
To: Joe Malin <jmalin at jmalin.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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You can use CleanImport, a plug-in to purge the target doc's catalogs
and then to import the new settings from your source.
If you don't care about cleaning out the existing entries, just use
File > Import Formats in your target. This is additive, so any
existing tags / variables / settings will remain in place. If the
source file has the same tag / variable names, the new settings will
be imported.
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers
apply.
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Joe Malin <jmalin at jmalin.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured)
> again
for
> a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and
documents,
> I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all
> the
> utilities I once used such as Character Tools, Paragraph Tools, etc.
>
> I'm looking for tools that will automatically copy formats, layouts,
master
> pages, reference pages, etc. from an existing document to a new one.
> Is
> there a site somewhere that has a list of sources?
>
> Joe Malin
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:48:21 -0800
From: Scott Prentice <sp at leximation.com>
Subject: Re: Utilities for FM 8
To: Joe Malin <jmalin at jmalin.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <4B749745.8000105 at leximation.com>
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My ToolSearch database lists all of the FM plugins that I'm aware of
(plus other things) ..
http://leximation.com/toolsearch/
Cheers,
...scott
Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892
Joe Malin wrote:
> Hi!
>
> After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured)
> again
for
> a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and
documents,
> I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all
> the
> utilities I once used such as Character Tools, Paragraph Tools, etc.
>
> I'm looking for tools that will automatically copy formats, layouts,
master
> pages, reference pages, etc. from an existing document to a new one.
> Is
> there a site somewhere that has a list of sources?
>
> Joe Malin
>
>
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:58:50 +0000
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Utilities for FM 8
To: Joe Malin <jmalin at jmalin.com>, framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <p06240802c79aba44a593@[192.168.0.4]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 19:54 -0800 10/2/10, Joe Malin wrote:
>After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured)
>again
for
>a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and
documents,
>I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all
>the
>utilities I once used such as Character Tools, Paragraph Tools, etc.
In addition to the advice of others, the site you're specifically
looking for is probably <http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com>.
--
Steve
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