Registration marks missing
White, Scott
SWhite at alamark.com
Tue Feb 8 06:11:58 PST 2011
Good points from all.
The bottom line though, is anyone on here getting registration marks to appear when using save as pdf instead of print to pdf? If so, can I get a step by step to see if I am missing something in my settings?
Thanks in advance.
Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jacob Schäffer [mailto:js at grafikhuset.dk]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 5:16 PM
To: White, Scott; 'Brad Anderson'
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: SV: Registration marks missing
Scott,
This is likely a PDF /CropBox "understanding" issue, which mean that
everything might be OK afterall. Unfortunately, the term "CropBox" might
bring confusion although the concept is clear.
/CropBox defines the *visible* page size in a viewer. CropBox has
effectively NOTHING to do with "trimming" according to crop marks - although
the name says so.
/MediaBox defines the RAW "print" paper size, ie. when you print a "letter"
size on "legal" or "A3" paper, you'll see the cut marks and use a hand-held
knife to "cut" :-)
/ArtBox is of absolutely no use if you wish a reference to a fixed region
(I've NEVER understood the significant value of the ArtBox EXCEPT when
placing PDF as substitute for EPS -- in which case it's totally meaningless
to apply crop marks (because they will become "art"))
/TrimBox, which defines the true "cutting" edges in real-world production
anno 2011.
In many cases ignorant designers and quite a few software packages sets both
TrimBox and CropBox *wrong* and in some cases with reversed meaning --
adding huge to overall confusion.
Personally, I discarded the "Save As PDF" in Frame 9 a long time ago. I did
that when I discovered it was based on more than 10 years old PostScript
Level 1 code stolen from antediluvian Unix versions of Framemaker.
So, printing to PDF from Frame is *still* ultimately the best bet *IF* and
*ONLY* if you work with RGB bitmap art (TIFF, BMP, JPG) and avoid spot
colours like the plague.
If you use CMYK TIFF, don't go to print at all *unless* you can
*successfully* use "Save As PDF" *or* persuade your printer to accept
pre-separated PostScript or PDF for print. And -- in this case -- don't say
"go" without a final proof.
Unfortunately I can't offer a bullet-proof work-around. However, my Publi
PDF software has made quite a difference for SEVERAL Framemaker users
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I have paid enormous amounts to Flexera Software to keep an Activation
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I really think Publi PDF could help you with your catalogue, but you'll have
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A good place to start is here: http://www.grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/
You'll find a LOT of information here:
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The latest *official* single user edition is revision 1.50.0432. This is
available for download from: http://grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/download.htm.
This edition works with Distiller 8.X to X and GPL GhostScript 8.70 or later
(that's not true, older versions are supported, but DON'T use them). This
version may work on Vista and Windows 7 if you understand how to disable
UAC. If not, wait for version 1.9.X.
The latest *real* Publi PDF Client is revision 1.9.X. It will be published
to http://grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/download.htm as soon as I can find the
time for it. This version runs smoothly on Windows 7 (32- and 64-bit), and I
don't care anything about Vista or older Windows versions. 1.9.X might work
on Vista or XP, and if it doesn't please use revision 1.5.0432. This works
on XP. If you have Vista you ask for trouble. Get rid of it !!!
Revision 1.50.0432, which you can download as described and use for
production (for free) in 30 days, will be substituted by the FULL *free*
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install 1.5.0432 you'll need to remove it and re-install 1.9.X later.
Have fun ...
/Jacob
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] På vegne af White, Scott
Sendt: 7. februar 2011 16:29
Til: Brad Anderson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Emne: RE: Registration marks missing
All your suggestions do not work for save as PDF with Registration
Marks.
But, when I use the print option with Adobe PDF as my printer it works.
Has anyone else run Save as PDF and gotten registration marks?
However, I was under the impression that printing to PDF is not the
right way to create a color "print-ready" pdf. Colors are all off.
Second, I have access to Frame on the Mac and I'm just wondering if it
would be safer to use that knowing I will get the color and output I
expect. This is our new company's first 1,000-page catalog and want to
avoid every pitfall I can.
Could I do this catalog in Frame 9, save as .mif 7 and open on the old
Mac version to do my color output? A thought.
Again, the color frustrations raise their ugly heads with Frame.
For those who may have missed:
Mac OS 10.6.6 running parallels, Frame 9.0 on Windows 7 Home Premium
Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
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From: Brad Anderson [mailto:brad at frameusers.com]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:16 AM
To: White, Scott
Cc: Brad Anderson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Registration marks missing
Scott,
If the final page size is 11 x 17, you'll have to set up a custom page
size (add an inch to both size so the final page size is 12 x 18).
You'll need the extra inch around the page to add the registration
marks.
If this fails, try printing to PS and then distill instead of saving to
PDF.
Do the registration marks now show?
Thanks,
Brad
On Feb 7, 2011, at 7:33 AM, White, Scott wrote:
Ok I am missing something. I have generate acrobat data turned off.
Final output is 11x17.
My steps are:
*Select adobe acrobat as my printer.
*Turn off generate acrobat data
*Save as pdf from the drop down menu in Frame
*Select page size
*Print
What am I missing?
Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Anderson [mailto:brad at frameusers.com]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 5:20 PM
To: White, Scott
Cc: Brad Anderson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Registration marks missing
Scott,
What was the final size of the PDF? 11x17 or 8.5 x 11? Turn off the
Generate Acrobat Data--the PDF is probably being cropped.
Thanks,
Brad
On Feb 4, 2011, at 1:46 PM, White, Scott wrote:
I was trying to do a pdf output for print with Registration marks. I
didn't get any marks in the rendered PDF.
I used save as pdf, selected registration marks western, printed
to
11x17 output just to see, and I got all I expected but the
registration
marks.
Mac OS10 running parallels > window 7 home premium. Framemaker
9.0.
Thoughts?
Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
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