Registration marks missing

Mon Feb 14 05:19:48 PST 2011

No problems here using "Save As PDF" to generate a PDF with crops.

FrameMaker 9.0p250 (unstructured) running under Windows 7 Professional (64-bit).

I'm running the SetPrint plugin which automatically makes Adobe PDF the default printer whenever FM is launched (not sure if that has anything at all to do with it; mentioned simply as another variable in the process).

Document is 8.5x11 trim with bleeds on facing edge only. I output onto an 11x17 sheet with crop & registration marks.

File > Save As PDF

Select output location.

Settings:

PDF Job Options: Standard
View Generated PDF in Acrobat: checked
Generate PDF for review only: not checked
Registration Marks: Western
Page Size: Width: 11in Height: 17in
Page Range: All
Convert CMYK Colors to RGB: I get crops either way, although not having it wreaks havocs with screens, even though it's a black-only document.

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That's it. Works like a charm here. I've used this method when creating output files for our printer's prepress department for years now (although for actual press output I have a custom Press Quality profile that doesn't downsample any images). They dump the PDF into their imposition software and away we go.

Dan Harding
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University of Illinois Tax School
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-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of White, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 8:12 AM
To: Jacob Schäffer; Brad Anderson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Registration marks missing

Good points from all.

The bottom line though, is anyone on here getting registration marks to appear when using save as pdf instead of print to pdf? If so, can I get a step by step to see if I am missing something in my settings?

Thanks in advance.

Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jacob Schäffer [mailto:js at grafikhuset.dk]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 5:16 PM
To: White, Scott; 'Brad Anderson'
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: SV: Registration marks missing

Scott,

This is likely a PDF /CropBox "understanding" issue, which mean that everything might be OK afterall. Unfortunately, the term "CropBox" might bring confusion although the concept is clear.

/CropBox defines the *visible* page size in a viewer. CropBox has effectively NOTHING to do with "trimming" according to crop marks - although the name says so.

/MediaBox defines the RAW "print" paper size, ie. when you print a "letter"
size on "legal" or "A3" paper, you'll see the cut marks and use a hand-held knife to "cut" :-)

/ArtBox is of absolutely no use if you wish a reference to a fixed region (I've NEVER understood the significant value of the ArtBox EXCEPT when placing PDF as substitute for EPS -- in which case it's totally meaningless to apply crop marks (because they will become "art"))

/TrimBox, which defines the true "cutting" edges in real-world production anno 2011.

In many cases ignorant designers and quite a few software packages sets both TrimBox and CropBox *wrong* and in some cases with reversed meaning -- adding huge to overall confusion.

Personally, I discarded the "Save As PDF" in Frame 9 a long time ago. I did that when I discovered it was based on more than 10 years old PostScript Level 1 code stolen from antediluvian Unix versions of Framemaker.

So, printing to PDF from Frame is *still* ultimately the best bet *IF* and
*ONLY* if you work with RGB bitmap art (TIFF, BMP, JPG) and avoid spot colours like the plague.

If you use CMYK TIFF, don't go to print at all *unless* you can
*successfully* use "Save As PDF" *or* persuade your printer to accept pre-separated PostScript or PDF for print. And -- in this case -- don't say "go" without a final proof.

Unfortunately I can't offer a bullet-proof work-around. However, my Publi PDF software has made quite a difference for SEVERAL Framemaker users worldwide over the past decade, of which MANY users subscribe to this list.

I have paid enormous amounts to Flexera Software to keep an Activation Service alive for Publi PDF, and through the past 3 years the residue from the Publi PDF *single user* edition has been approx the price of one or two (very, very, very good though) Italian Amarone(s). Anyway, today I'm working on other very promising projects and really only win nothingness by keeping the Publi PDF "client" licensed. Hence, Publi PDF - in the form most users know it -- is going FREEWARE quite soon (USD 850 per license today).

I really think Publi PDF could help you with your catalogue, but you'll have to experiment with it. As FREEWARE Publi PDF is *effectively* unsupported.

A good place to start is here: http://www.grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/

You'll find a LOT of information here:
http://www.grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/techdocs.htm. You MUST read this stuff if you REALLY want to know what Publi PDF can do for you. I don't answer questions that is already answered in the "techdocs" section.

The latest *official* single user edition is revision 1.50.0432. This is available for download from: http://grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/download.htm.
This edition works with Distiller 8.X to X and GPL GhostScript 8.70 or later (that's not true, older versions are supported, but DON'T use them). This version may work on Vista and Windows 7 if you understand how to disable UAC. If not, wait for version 1.9.X.

The latest *real* Publi PDF Client is revision 1.9.X. It will be published to http://grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/download.htm as soon as I can find the time for it. This version runs smoothly on Windows 7 (32- and 64-bit), and I don't care anything about Vista or older Windows versions. 1.9.X might work on Vista or XP, and if it doesn't please use revision 1.5.0432. This works on XP. If you have Vista you ask for trouble. Get rid of it !!!

Revision 1.50.0432, which you can download as described and use for production (for free) in 30 days, will be substituted by the FULL *free* "Publi PDF Client" BEFORE the 30 days expiration period ends. So, *IF* you install 1.5.0432 you'll need to remove it and re-install 1.9.X later.

Have fun ...

/Jacob

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] På vegne af White, Scott
Sendt: 7. februar 2011 16:29
Til: Brad Anderson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Emne: RE: Registration marks missing

All your suggestions do not work for save as PDF with Registration Marks.

But, when I use the print option with Adobe PDF as my printer it works.

Has anyone else run Save as PDF and gotten registration marks?

However, I was under the impression that printing to PDF is not the right way to create a color "print-ready" pdf. Colors are all off.

Second, I have access to Frame on the Mac and I'm just wondering if it would be safer to use that knowing I will get the color and output I expect. This is our new company's first 1,000-page catalog and want to avoid every pitfall I can.

Could I do this catalog in Frame 9, save as .mif 7 and open on the old Mac version to do my color output? A thought.

Again, the color frustrations raise their ugly heads with Frame.

For those who may have missed:

Mac OS 10.6.6 running parallels, Frame 9.0 on Windows 7 Home Premium

Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752

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From: Brad Anderson [mailto:brad at frameusers.com]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:16 AM
To: White, Scott
Cc: Brad Anderson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Registration marks missing

Scott,

If the final page size is 11 x 17, you'll have to set up a custom page size (add an inch to both size so the final page size is 12 x 18).
You'll need the extra inch around the page to add the registration marks.

If this fails, try printing to PS and then distill instead of saving to PDF.

Do the registration marks now show?

Thanks,

Brad

On Feb 7, 2011, at 7:33 AM, White, Scott wrote:

Ok I am missing something. I have generate acrobat data turned off.
Final output is 11x17.
My steps are:
*Select adobe acrobat as my printer.
*Turn off generate acrobat data
*Save as pdf from the drop down menu in Frame *Select page size *Print

What am I missing?

Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752

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-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Anderson [mailto:brad at frameusers.com]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 5:20 PM
To: White, Scott
Cc: Brad Anderson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Registration marks missing

Scott,

What was the final size of the PDF?  11x17 or 8.5 x 11?   Turn off the
Generate Acrobat Data--the PDF is probably being cropped.

Thanks,

Brad

On Feb 4, 2011, at 1:46 PM, White, Scott wrote:

I was trying to do a pdf output for print with Registration marks. I

        didn't get any marks in the rendered PDF.

        I used save as pdf, selected registration marks western, printed to

        11x17 output just to see, and I got all I expected but the

registration

marks.

        Mac OS10 running parallels > window 7 home premium. Framemaker 9.0.

        Thoughts?

        Scott White

        Manager - Content and Print Media

        Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752

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