Frame 9 and 10 (Jeremy H. Griffith)

Mon Jan 17 22:19:12 PST 2011

I have FM9 and FM10 installed on same machine and haven't faced any issues...

@Mike Wickham
FM10 is available both as an online app and as a full trial version. See here - 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/try.html

Regards,
Satish

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Frame 9 and 10 (Jeremy H. Griffith)
   2. Compiling FM into help files (wfp file) (Anton David)
   3. Re: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file) (Stuart Rogers)
   4. Re: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file) (Writer)
   5. Re: FrameMaker search (Baruch Brodersen)
   6. RE: OmniHelp with Google Chrome (Jeff Coatsworth)
   7. Re: OmniHelp with Google Chrome (Jeremy H. Griffith)
   8. Re: Frame 9 and 10 (Steve Johnson)
   9. Release notes for Frame 10? (Roger Shuttleworth)
  10. So Frustrated... Frame Drawing objects -> .mif conversion
      with r/w    rules (Margaret Lee)
  11. RE: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file) (Jennifer Randel)
  12. Re: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file) (Steve Johnson)
  13. increment more than one $chapnum in a file? (LW White)
  14. Re: increment more than one $chapnum in a file? (Baruch Brodersen)
  15. RE: increment more than one $chapnum in a file? (Combs, Richard)
  16. Re: FM10 released (Georg Eck)
  17. Ann: FINALYSER = TOOLBOX + Scripts (Georg Eck)
  18. Looking for WWP 2003 for sale (Anton David)
  19. RE: Flare vs Frame (Veronica Kutt)
  20. Frame/InDesign (Martin Ley)
  21. Re: Frame/InDesign (Bill Swallow)
  22. Re: Frame/InDesign (Art Campbell)
  23. RE: Frame/InDesign (Rick Quatro)
  24. Re: Frame/InDesign (Steve Rickaby)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:12:04 -0500
From: "Jeremy H. Griffith" <jeremy at omsys.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Frame 9 and 10
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:09:16 -0800, Alison Craig 
<Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com> wrote:

>Having only ever used Frame 9, I wonder if anyone can 
>tell me the protocol for installing a trial of Frame 10 
>on the same machine as Frame 9 - without wiping out or 
>affecting the Frame 9 installation?

Simple.  Don't do it.  Install the FM10 or TCS3 trial
on a non-production machine only.  You may find that
any previous Frame version stops working, if not when
you install the demo, then when you remove the demo or 
it expires.  It may be sufficient to install it in its
own virtual machine, but I wouldn't risk a system on
which my livelihood depended...

Just my opinion.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  <jeremy at omsys.com>  http://www.omsys.com/

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:41:08 +0100
From: "Anton David" <anton at xlated.com>
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)
Message-ID: <007601cbb27f$e570b270$0300a8c0 at anton>
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Hello all,

A client is requesting to recompile FM7 files after translation.
The template file available in the staging directory has .wfp extension.
Opening it in a text editor, I can see "quadralay-wdt-80"
The output files requested are .chm and compiled online help.

Is anybody able to tell me which tool has been used and which version?

Thank you

Anton David
Localisation Project Manager
Xlated ltd

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:37:47 -0500
From: Stuart Rogers <srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)
Message-ID: <4D2DF4FB.4000806 at phoenix-geophysics.com>
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On 12/01/2011 12:41 PM, Anton David wrote:
>
>   Hello all,
>
> A client is requesting to recompile FM7 files after translation.
> The template file available in the staging directory has .wfp extension.
> Opening it in a text editor, I can see "quadralay-wdt-80"
> The output files requested are .chm and compiled online help.
>
> Is anybody able to tell me which tool has been used and which version?
>

Quadralay WebWorks Publisher (likely, given the FM7 timeframe) or 
ePublisher (latest).  Sorry I can't help with version number.

http://www.quadralay.com/

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:48:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Writer <generic668 at yahoo.ca>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, Anton David <anton at xlated.com>
Subject: Re: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)
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Some version of (Quadralay) WebWorks Publisher or ePublisher (www.webworks.com).

Nadine

--- On Wed, 1/12/11, Anton David <anton at xlated.com> wrote:

> From: Anton David <anton at xlated.com>
> Subject: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:41 PM
>  
>  Hello all,
> 
> A client is requesting to recompile FM7 files after
> translation.
> The template file available in the staging directory has
> .wfp extension.
> Opening it in a text editor, I can see "quadralay-wdt-80"
> The output files requested are .chm and compiled online
> help.
> 
> Is anybody able to tell me which tool has been used and
> which version?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Anton David
> Localisation Project Manager
> Xlated ltd
>  
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:27:16 -0500
From: Baruch Brodersen <baruch at technitext.com>
To: Ragnar Hanas <ragnar.hanas at betamed.se>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker search
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Ragnar has some very good suggestions. 10 quick search and replaces might be
the best bet.
The MIF to Word to MIF round trip also works well. If you do that, search
and replace in Word using these wildcards:

Find: ([0-9][0-9])([a-z][a-z])
Replace with: \1 \2

Note that there is an empty space between "\1" and "\2"

Baruch Brodersen

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Ragnar Hanas <ragnar.hanas at betamed.se>wrote:

> You can do 10 quick searches: 1in, 2in, 3in etc, and then replace by 1 in,
> 2
> in, 3 in.
> I have done so on several occasions, and it doesn?t take much extra time
> compared to one major search.
> The other option would be to save as MIF, then open in Word.  However, when
> searching in Word as you describe, can you insert the space correctly and
> proceed by just clicking "enter" or do you need to do it manually?
> Ragnar Hanas
> Uddevalla Hospital, Sweden
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:45 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: FrameMaker search
>
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I need to correct the measurements, in inches, in which the space has been
> omitted between the number and the unit.
>
> In other words:
>
> Height: 17in
> Depth: 21in
> Width: 10in
>
> Or:
>
> The unit is 17in deep.
>
> In Word, I could specify that a numerical value precedes the alpha
> characters "in" and perform a search.
>
> In FrameMaker, is there a way to make a search that specific?
>
> As it is, I believe I have to search for every instance of "in," which
> turns
> up every word that contains the two letters "in" including, well,
> **including**.
>
> It's rare that I long for Word, but this is one of those instances. I can
> save the whole thing to RTF and do the search in Word, but I'd like to find
> out first if Frame has the capability.
>
> --Nancy
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:26:54 -0500
From: Jeff Coatsworth <jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Cc: Martha Lee <martha.lee at coventor.com>
Subject: RE: OmniHelp with Google Chrome
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There is workaround, but it involves the user setting a command line instruction 
to allow opening of local Webhelp files. See the Adobe forum for the 
instruction. 

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:06 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Martha Lee
Subject: Re: OmniHelp with Google Chrome

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:21:06 -0500, "Martha Lee" <martha.lee at coventor.com> 
wrote:

>Our Mif2Go OmniHelp files fail to load in Google Chrome. I realize that we
>need an ohct_.css file for Google Chrome. Anyone know if that file is
>available? And would I need any other updated file to open OmniHelp in
>Chrome?

Currently, *no* form of WebHelp loads from a local
copy in Chrome, because of a restriction Chrome
(and only Chrome) imposes on JavaScript.  The CSS
has nothing to do with it.

However, OmniHelp *will* load when run from a
server, or the Web.  To see that, try:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/ohusergd/
which opens in a new window.  Chrome is very slow 
loading, but it gets there eventually.  Use Firefox 
if at all possible, or IE, Opera, Safari, or Linux
Konqueror.  All work with both local and network 
copies, as do many more.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  <jeremy at omsys.com>  http://www.omsys.com/
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:22:14 -0500
From: "Jeremy H. Griffith" <jeremy at omsys.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Cc: Jeff Coatsworth <jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com>,    Martha Lee
    <martha.lee at coventor.com>
Subject: Re: OmniHelp with Google Chrome
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:26:54 -0500, Jeff Coatsworth 
<jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com> wrote:

>There is workaround, but it involves the user setting a 
>command line instruction to allow opening of local Webhelp 
>files. See the Adobe forum for the instruction. 

I checked the forum, and it turns out that Snippet 130 
on Peter Grainge's site has the answer:
  http://www.grainge.org/pages/snippets/snippets.htm

In brief, you must start Chrome with the added switch
  --allow-file-access-from-files
which you can put in your shortcut at the end of the
Target field in its Properties | Shortcut tab (after 
a space).  

This is a change all your users would need to make; 
you can't change anything in the WebHelp or OmniHelp 
to allow that, for obvious security reasons.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  <jeremy at omsys.com>  http://www.omsys.com/

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:30:32 -0600
From: Steve Johnson <chinaski69 at gmail.com>
To: Mike Wickham <info at mikewickham.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame 9 and 10
Message-ID:
    <AANLkTin7ra_eanVbg1AkumqPa0QSm_+O6vr3TnbJEUgo at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/try.html

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Mike Wickham <info at mikewickham.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 1/11/2011 3:09 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
>>
>> Having only ever used Frame 9, I wonder if anyone can tell me the protocol
>> for installing a trial of Frame 10 on the same machine as Frame 9 - without
>> wiping out or affecting the Frame 9 installation?
>>
> In one of the publicity pages I read for FM10, I believe it referred to the
> trial as being an online application, rather than a download.
>
> Mike Wickham
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:10:05 -0500
From: "Roger Shuttleworth" <rshuttleworth at avbasesystems.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Release notes for Frame 10?
Message-ID: <20110112161005.88b31a13 at mail.avbasesystems.com>
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Hello All

Does anyone know if there are Release Notes for Frame 10, RoboHelp 9, and/or 
TCS3? I've looked on the Adobe web site but don't see any. I'm interested to 
know whether any of the manifold bugs, annoyances, and crashes found in Frame 9 
and the FM-RH "integration" have been addressed. (In other words, whether we 
should be looking at creating online output using something that works.)

Thanks,
Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Documentation
AV-BASE Systems Inc.
1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200
London, Ontario
N5V 3S4
Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:45:38 -0600
From: Margaret Lee <mlee at amblerllc.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: So Frustrated... Frame Drawing objects -> .mif conversion
    with r/w    rules
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It has been a long time since I have spent this much time trying to
figure out a function in FrameMaker.

Here is what I expect to happen.

I have an .xml file that I can open in FrameMaker and edit the
graphics using the frame graphic tools.

Upon save, it would save the anchored frame as .mif using the entity
name only with no counting.

I can reopen the xml file, make a change and upon save, the graphics
are still named the same.

****Errors****

- entity names continue to number.

- I can save the xml file successfully but I can not read back into FrameMaker.

(VERY CURIOUS ERROR. When I try to read it back into FrameMaker it
will not open and gives no error but at this point FrameMaker is
completely crashed. Any file I try to open is a white sheet.)

Below are the details of my application. If anyone has time to pick
through these details and me find a solution, it is greatly
appreciated.

Margaret

FM9.0p255
XP Service Pack3
I open and save to test my application using a .xml file, not .fm
I have a structured file with anchored frames with frame drawings.

****XML Declaration*****

<!NOTATION mif???? SYSTEM "">
<!ENTITY egmevtdelay SYSTEM "egmevtdelay.mif" NDATA mif>
<!ENTITY captpacedetect SYSTEM "captpacedetect.mif" NDATA mif>
<!ENTITY noncaptpacedetect SYSTEM "noncaptpacedetect.mif" NDATA mif>
<!ENTITY intratechgint SYSTEM "intratechgint.mif" NDATA mif>
<!ENTITY ccratechgint SYSTEM "ccratechgint.mif" NDATA mif>
<!ENTITY startupint SYSTEM "startupint.mif" NDATA mif>
<!ENTITY shutdownint SYSTEM "shutdownint.mif" NDATA mif>
<!ENTITY actvcap SYSTEM "actvcap.mif" NDATA mif>
<!ENTITY biphasicdel SYSTEM "biphasicdel.mif" NDATA mif>
<!ENTITY boostvcap SYSTEM "boostvcap.mif" NDATA mif>

****XML Graphic Element****

<GRAPHIC entity = "egmevtdelay" position = "below" align = "acenter"
??? cropped = "0" float = "0" width = "7.000in" height = "4.160in"
??? angle = "0.000" nsoffset = "0.000in"/>

****structapps.fm*****

In the structapps.fm file I have also defined (with same definitions
as above) Entities in the XMLApplication Entities -> Entity ->
EntityName & FileName

****template for xml application****

On the reference page I have filled out the Entity Declarations, List
of Processing Instructions(PI)

mif is the Notation declaration and I have the Name, Type, System, and
Notation filled out in the Entity Declaration.

*****r/w rules*****

element "GRAPHIC" {
? is fm graphic element;
?? writer anchored frame export to file "$(entity).mif"
??? as "MIF";
}

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:27:27 -0800
From: Jennifer Randel <jennifer_randel at khsd.k12.ca.us>
To: 'Anton David' <anton at xlated.com>, "framers at lists.frameusers.com"
    <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)
Message-ID:
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Hi Anton, 
I believe that Quadralay makes WebWorks...  

Jennifer Randel
Data Processing Technical Writer
Kern High School District

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anton David
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)

Hello all,

A client is requesting to recompile FM7 files after translation.
The template file available in the staging directory has .wfp extension.
Opening it in a text editor, I can see "quadralay-wdt-80"
The output files requested are .chm and compiled online help.

Is anybody able to tell me which tool has been used and which version?

Thank you

Anton David
Localisation Project Manager
Xlated ltd

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:10:19 -0600
From: Steve Johnson <chinaski69 at gmail.com>
To: Anton David <anton at xlated.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I believe that's the WebWorks project file and it predates 9.x so it
might be WebWorks Publisher 2003 or something like that, which
Quadralay no longer supports.

If it's the project file, it won't help you anyway. It's in binary
format and all it does is define the output format. It doesn't have
any of the source in it.

http://www.webworks.com/Support/ePublisher/Legacy_Docs/Online_Manuals/ePublisher_Pro/03_ManagingProjects.5.2.shtml

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Anton David <anton at xlated.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hello all,
>
> A client is requesting to recompile FM7 files after translation.
> The template file available in the staging directory has .wfp extension.
> Opening it in a text editor, I can see "quadralay-wdt-80"
> The output files requested are .chm and compiled online help.
>
> Is anybody able to tell me which tool has been used and which version?
>
> Thank you
>
> Anton David
> Localisation Project Manager
> Xlated ltd
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:51:37 -0500
From: LW White <lwwhite5 at hotmail.com>
To: FrameUsersDigest <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: increment more than one $chapnum in a file?
Message-ID: <BLU144-W2D8F731791F9339667E7B86F00 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I'm converting some Word files to unstructured FM9. These files have a numbered 
section as the top level. At the second level, they have one or more numbered 
chapters. When a file contains more than one numbered chapter, I can't get Frame 
to recognize that chapter as part of the $chapnum auto-increment. So instead of:

Section I
   Chapter 1
   Chapter 2

Section II
   Chapter 3

Section III
   Chapter 4

I get:

Section I
   Chapter 1
   Chapter 1

Section II
   Chapter 2

Section III
   Chapter 3

If I don't use $chapnum, and just use one of the regular counters instead (<n+>) 
then the number doesn't increment across files. I seem to be stuck between a 
rock and a hard place here. Is there any way to make $chapnum increment more 
than once per file? Or some other solution?

Thanks,
Leigh                           

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:18:54 -0500
From: Baruch Brodersen <baruch at technitext.com>
To: LW White <lwwhite5 at hotmail.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: increment more than one $chapnum in a file?
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Hi Leigh,
The $chapnum variable is a file level marker. You can only have one chapter
per file.

Baruch Brodersen

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:51 PM, LW White <lwwhite5 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I'm converting some Word files to unstructured FM9. These files have a
> numbered section as the top level. At the second level, they have one or
> more numbered chapters. When a file contains more than one numbered chapter,
> I can't get Frame to recognize that chapter as part of the $chapnum
> auto-increment. So instead of:
>
> Section I
>   Chapter 1
>   Chapter 2
>
> Section II
>   Chapter 3
>
> Section III
>   Chapter 4
>
> I get:
>
> Section I
>   Chapter 1
>   Chapter 1
>
> Section II
>   Chapter 2
>
> Section III
>   Chapter 3
>
> If I don't use $chapnum, and just use one of the regular counters instead
> (<n+>) then the number doesn't increment across files. I seem to be stuck
> between a rock and a hard place here. Is there any way to make $chapnum
> increment more than once per file? Or some other solution?
>
> Thanks,
> Leigh
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:44:45 -0800
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
To: LW White <lwwhite5 at hotmail.com>, FrameUsersDigest
    <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: increment more than one $chapnum in a file?
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LW White wrote:

> I'm converting some Word files to unstructured FM9. These files have a
> numbered section as the top level. At the second level, they have one or
> more numbered chapters. When a file contains more than one numbered
> chapter, I can't get Frame to recognize that chapter as part of the
> $chapnum auto-increment. <snip>
> 
> If I don't use $chapnum, and just use one of the regular counters instead
> (<n+>) then the number doesn't increment across files. I seem to be stuck
> between a rock and a hard place here. Is there any way to make $chapnum
> increment more than once per file? Or some other solution?

Baruch is correct -- you can't increment $chapnum within a file. But there's 
more to be said. And more than one solution to your problem.

You could forgo $chapnum and use a regular counter (<n+>) in the autonumber of 
the chapter title paragraph as you thought. Incrementing that autonumber 
sequence across files is a piece of cake -- as long as you don't also have 
autonumber sequences that need to restart in each file. 

1) In the book window, select all the files after the one containing Chapter 1. 
2) Select Format > Document > Numbering. 
3) In the Numbering Properties dialog, click the Paragraph tab. 
4) Select Continue Numbering from Previous Paragraph in Book, and click Set. 

You're done. 

Unless you also have autonumber sequences (say, figures and tables) that need to 
restart in each file or chapter. In that case, you'd have to use special 
paragraphs that restart numbering for those autonumber sequences. Or use your 
chapter title paragraph to reset them. Maybe even construct the kind of complex 
multiple-counter autonumber sequences used prior to FM 6. 

The ins, outs, options, and alternatives are a bit much to go into here. A lot 
of this is fairly well explained in the FM manual/help. Here's one good source 
of more autonumber information: 

    http://www.infocon.com/files/autonum.pdf  

Other sources can be found by googling "framemaker autonumbering" (sans quotes). 

Another solution -- and it may be preferable, in the long run -- is to put each 
chapter into its own file and use the $chapnum variable for the chapter title 
autonumber. Use the $volnum variable for the section title autonumber. In the 
Numbering Properties dialog, Chapter tab, set all the chapters after the first 
to Continue Numbering from Previous File in Book. (For the 1st chapter file, of 
course, set Chapter # explicitly to 1 and Format to Numeric.)

For the files that _don't start a new section, in the Numbering Properties 
dialog, Volume tab, set the $volnum variable to Use Same Number As Previous 
File. For the ones after Section 1, set it to Continue Numbering from Previous 
File in Book. (For the 1st, set it explicitly like the chapter number, using 
ROMAN as the format.) 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:00:10 +0100
From: "Georg Eck" <eck at squidds.de>
To: "Pinkham, Jim" <Jim.Pinkham at voith.com>,    "Tim J. Slager"
    <TSlager at isdcorporation.com>,    "John Sgammato"
    <jsgammato at IMPRIVATA.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: FM10 released
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Sorry, NO. Please order maintenance or SQUIDDS PREMIUM Support for 2
years:
+ more cheaper as upgrades
+ anytime up-to-date

- Georg

> We purchased FM 9 on Nov. 10 or 11. Anyone know if there's a window of
free upgrade, such as MS has on new versions of Office?
>I know...I know. But one can **hope** :)

Jim 

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:23:01 +0100
From: "Georg Eck" <eck at squidds.de>
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Ann: FINALYSER = TOOLBOX + Scripts
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Now, we had combine Plug-ins and Scripts in FINALYSER. 
The FINALYSER optimize the workflow for technical writers.
FINALYSER integrate all Adobe Products like FrameMaker 10, Photoshop
CS5, Bridge CS5, Illustrator CS5, ... 
see the video: http://bit.ly/helaoE

All TOOLBOX 9 users can upgrade to FINALYSER very easy:
www.finalyser.com

Test it - enjoy the new platform.
SQUIDDS - Vendor of TOOLBOX and FINALYSER

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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:06:30 +0100
From: "Anton David" <anton at xlated.com>
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Looking for WWP 2003 for sale
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Hello all,

It looks like I need a WWP 2003 to open a .wfp project file.
Is there anyone willing to sell it?

Thank you

____________________________
Anton David
Localisation Project Manager
Xlated ltd

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:10:19 -0500
From: "Veronica Kutt" <veronica at front-runner.com>
To: <dr_gonzo at pobox.com>,    <generic668 at yahoo.ca>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com, "'Jeremy H. Griffith'"
    <jeremy at omsys.com>
Subject: RE: Flare vs Frame
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Here are answers to the software purchasing questions... Front Runner is
also an Adobe Software Reseller...

To answer Jim Pinkham's question...
If your company purchased a Maintenance package with FrameMaker you would
get updates/upgrades as they become available, provided the Maintenance is
current.

To answer Steve Johnson's question...
If a customer wants to do backward licensing, they order the current version
volume license of the product and the old ESD (Electronic Software Download
- one version back). Then they call Adobe Customer Care at 800-443-8158 to
request a serial number that matches the ESD.  They will need to provide the
Adobe order number for the current version order. Also, if they purchased an
upgrade license (for example, CS3 to CS5), they will also need to provide
the serial number of the original product they are upgrading from. It takes
a few days to get the old serial number.

This is a much easier process for someone who already has some volume
licenses of the product they want to install and just needs to buy more of
them. They don?t need to buy the old ESD unless they don?t already have the
old media. And they don?t need to call for a serial number; they just use
the old serial number they already have to install on additional
workstations.

If anyone is looking to purchase software let us know at Front Runner. We
can provide you pricing for the software and when you purchase the software
from us you get discounts on the training!

Thanks

Sincerely,

Veronica K?tt
President
Front Runner Training, a Div. of Front Runner Publishing Solutions Inc.
416-515-0155
Call Toll free: 1-877-999-0155
veronica at front-runner.com

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Sent: January-11-11 1:20 PM
To: generic668 at yahoo.ca
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: Re: Flare vs Frame

You can still buy Frame 8 using a special kind of licensing I can't
think of now, maybe volume licensing.

Search the Adobe Forum; you'll find it.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Writer <generic668 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> >I believe that I can go from Frame to .chm.
>>
>> No, you can't.? You could use Mif2Go (our product,
>> for $295), or ePublisher (for way more) <snip>
>
> WebWorks ePublisher can also process Word files, if you decide to stick
with Word. It can also process a mix of Word, FM, and XML files.
>
> Nadine
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:56:12 +0000
From: Martin Ley <martin at em-dash.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame/InDesign
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Fellow Framers,

I have a conundrum... 

I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me to do 
more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with InDesign, 
who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all my FrameMaker 
files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?

An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an 
interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but this 
is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but neither 
option would appear to be very straightforward.

The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too 
(we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels 
Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.

The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.

<light blue touchpaper>
<stand well back>
<await flack>

Martin

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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:15:59 -0500
From: Bill Swallow <techcommdood at gmail.com>
To: Martin Ley <martin at em-dash.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame/InDesign
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Which program makes the most sense for the content? And, if you
migrate, is that a good use of your time to do so given it's both a
quick fix AND you're already overloaded?

Consider a content strategy going forward. Yes, it's a client and not
your own managed content, but if a repeat client, having a strategy
for their content rather than just a plan will help keep future cases
like this at bay.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Martin Ley <martin at em-dash.com> wrote:
> Fellow Framers,
>
> I have a conundrum...
>
> I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me to 
>do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with 
>InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all my 
>FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?
>
> An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an 
>interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but this 
>is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but neither 
>option would appear to be very straightforward.
>
> The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too 
>(we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels 
>Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.
>
> The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
>complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
>insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.
>
> <light blue touchpaper>
> <stand well back>
> <await flack>
>
> Martin

-- 
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:47:55 -0500
From: Art Campbell <art.campbell at gmail.com>
To: Martin Ley <martin at em-dash.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame/InDesign
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If you're billing by the hour and your client is loaded down with too
much cash, I'd move to InDesign. It'll take a lot longer both for the
conversion and on-going maintenance, assuming you started with Frame
for it's long document / documentation  / book-handling tools.
;-  )

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Martin Ley <martin at em-dash.com> wrote:
> Fellow Framers,
>
> I have a conundrum...
>
> I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me to 
>do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with 
>InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all my 
>FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?
>
> An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an 
>interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but this 
>is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but neither 
>option would appear to be very straightforward.
>
> The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too 
>(we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels 
>Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.
>
> The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
>complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
>insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.
>
> <light blue touchpaper>
> <stand well back>
> <await flack>
>
> Martin
>
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:23:51 -0500
From: "Rick Quatro" <rick at rickquatro.com>
To: "'Martin Ley'" <martin at em-dash.com>,
    <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Frame/InDesign
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Hi Martin,

Since you already have a huge body of work in FrameMaker, you are probably
best to stay with FrameMaker. Can any of the workload be reduced through
automation?

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com

Fellow Framers,

I have a conundrum... 

I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me
to do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with
InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all
my FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?

An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an
interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but
this is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but
neither option would appear to be very straightforward.

The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too
(we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels
Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.

The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly
complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text
insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.

<light blue touchpaper>
<stand well back>
<await flack>

Martin

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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:43:23 +0000
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
To: Martin Ley <martin at em-dash.com>, framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame/InDesign
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At 14:56 +0000 11/1/11, Martin Ley wrote:

>The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
>complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
>insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.

Martin: I use both too. Many of the features you list above (conditionality, 
insets, variables, markers) are not implemented, or are implemented differently, 
in InDesign, afaik.

You have a difficult problem; for me the above might well be the killer issue. 
InD will do you lovely typography, but for my money it's still not quite a 
player in the tech book world. Also afaik, it still doesn't even support 
cross-references, or at least CS3 didn't. I use it, happily, for non-technical 
books, but I'd not like to work with it for link-rich long-doc material.

As both products are from Adobe, as as there might be license fees for them 
whichever way you go, why not try and rope in an Adobe product specialist to 
advise you? In the UK Chris Kitchener used to be the main man, certainly for 
InD, but I don't know whether he's still with Adobe. Or possibly one of their 
added-value vendors, like Mekon (Sutton)?

<mailto:chris.kitchener at adobe.com>

HTH; just my view.

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