Translating English to Portuguese

[Ragnar Hanås]

Depends on the budget you have. I've done all my books (300-400 pages) with
colleagues translating the text in the S-tagger produced rtf files - no
professionals involved, and quite straight forward. Producing the rtf
S-tagger files is no problem, the filter is easy to use even for an amateur
(I am a doctor, but have used FM for writing books since the FM3 version).
I have done Russian in FM 7.2 with the Arial CYR and other CYR fonts. A bit
tricky to set up into the first place, but then it works very smoothly.
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital
Sweden

-----Original Message-----
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:wim at idtp.eu] 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:53 PM
To: ragnar.hanas at betamed.se; Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

Yes, but you should leave the S-tagger part and translation to a
professional translator or bureau. Don't do it yourself. It's their job.
Just provide MIF files and receive MIF files back.

Note that for Russian you'd need at least Framemaker 8 - and instruct the
translation vendor to process the MIF (with S-tagger) as Unicode, not
default FrameMaker as up to FM 7.


Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel
iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant, Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in
FrameMaker NLDITA Winter 2011 – December 2011 in Utrecht – Special about
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Ragnar Hanås [mailto:ragnar.hanas at betamed.se]
Verzonden: vrijdag 11 november 2011 17:26
Aan: Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com; wim at idtp.eu; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

The S-Tagger filter from Trados is a very convenient way of translating from
FM. I have used it for 10 different languages, including Russian. You export
rtf files with color-coded tags from FM, so it is very easy to see what to
translate, and what not to touch. Cross-references (like "page 65") are
colored, so the translator knows that that should be left as is. When
importing the translated file, S-Tagger provides you with a list of any
errors that have been made (like deleting a tag by accident), so you can
easily fix it. With mif files it is much more difficult to see what to
translate, and what is code text.
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital,
Sweden

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: wim at idtp.eu; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

2011-11-11-05T14:25Z

Wim -

For one translation, we provided and received .fm files.  For the other
translation, we provided and received .rtf files.

My thought was to provide and receive .fm files; then, convert the
translated .fm files into on-station help.  Translate once; use twice.
(Unfortunately, many persons still do not know of this concept.)

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9606


-----Original Message-----
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:wim at idtp.eu]
Sent: 2011-Nov-11-Fri 09:20
To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

Hi Dave,

If you didn't consider MIF files, what would have been your approach (just
curious ...)?


Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel
iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant, Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in
FrameMaker NLDITA Winter 2011 - December 2011 in Utrecht - Special about
localization and translation of DITA and XML content NLDITA Tools 2012 -
April 2012 in Utrecht - Tools and best practices for Authoring, Managing and
Publishing NLDITA Information Energy 2012 - june 2012 in Utrecht and Ghent -
DITA and topic based information development tel. +31652036811 Skype
wimhooghwinkel Twitter @idtp @NLDITA info at idtp.eu www.idtp.eu www.nldita.nl

FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com [mailto:Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 11 november 2011 14:53
Aan: wim at idtp.eu; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

2011-11-11-05T13:55Z

Wim -

¡Thanks for your encouraging words, expertise, and information!

More than five years ago, we did translate into two foreign languages, so we
do have some experience.  But, the world has turned over many times since
then, and many things have changed.

Your and others' responses tend to reinforce my hope that we can follow the
best-possible course of action as I perceive it.  I had not considered
providing and receiving .mif files.  That would be even simpler.

As circumstances have it, "the powers who are" apparently already have
identified a subcontractor and might already be contractually committed.
So, we'll work with that situation.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9606


-----Original Message-----
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:wim at idtp.eu]
Sent: 2011-Nov-11-Fri 03:10
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

Hi dave,

What exactly are you looking for in terms of consideration?

Translating FM files from English to Portuguese shouldn't be any problem for
a translation agency. Framemaker will support Portuguese in any FM version.
The specific availability of Portuguese dictionary and hyphenation in FM 9
and higher only gives you more control on spelling and hyphenation, but as
Portuguese fits in the basic latin character set it will be displayed ok I
any FM version (5.5, 6, 7, ..).

The procedure for creating HTML help or CHM is the same as you would use for
your English source files. When compiling the CHM set the language to
Portuguese to get Portuguese hyperlinks (for Next, Previous, etc). 

If you've never translated FM files before, my advise is to find a
translation agency nearby. Save your FM files as MIF and send that to them.
In return you'll receive MIF files with Portuguese text, open these in FM
and save as FM. That's it. Again, this will work for any FM version.

To create Help you'll need another tool, like Mif2Go, webworks, robohelp, or
other.


Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

tel. +31652036811
Skype wimhooghwinkel
Twitter @idtp @NLDITA
info at idtp.eu
www.idtp.eu
www.nldita.nl

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