Some good news re FM 11

Sat Sep 29 04:08:32 PDT 2012

Dear Framers:
I write with some good news and some minor problems.
FM 11 is more stable. I have worked for two days flat out WITHOUT a single
crash.
Moreover, I have been assured that Adobe is taking the upcoming patch
seriously.
 The "save as pdf" works flawlessly for me, after a generation or two of not
working at all. This is the best workaround.
Remember PageMaker had the same issues.
Other problems:
There is a lot of flash when updating or printing: Much more than any other
version of FM 6 through FM9
There is now a user help file for FM 11 which definitely needs a spellcheck
and some work on the NEW messages which FM 11 generates.
For example, where would one look if you got the message "Expressions and
conditions settings in the book are inconsistent"? No conditional text used
and no conditions set.
The book error log is not editable so one cannot copy and paste anything
into Google or forums.
My biggest gripe is with the cursor I Beam registration which is by no means
accurate. If you do a lot of indexing as I do this is a major irritation.
By way of illustration

Target text=Cornfield
][= Ibeam

In FM11
Cornfielld][

Does not pick up the "d"......

I am happy to add that Adobe has been responsive and can assure Framers that
FM11 is a major step up to make FM a contender for the greatest word
processor of all time.

All the best
Rob

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   1. RE: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop
      (Karen Robbins)
   2. RE: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop
      (Jeff Coatsworth)
   3. Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
      (Carol J. Elkins)
   4. RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
      solution (Jeff Coatsworth)
   5. Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
      solution (Roger Shuttleworth)
   6. Re: Localization Process with FrameMaker 10 (Robert Lauriston)
   7. RE: Localization Process with FrameMaker 10 (Jaime Zuniga)
   8. save as... FM 8 Mif (Mario Valerio)
   9. FM 10 Copy/Paste sometimes not keeping tags (Ginger Swart)
  10. Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
      solution (Robert Lauriston)
  11. Bookmarks don't stay set (Gillian Flato)
  12. simple FM10 ExtendScript (Robert Lauriston)
  13. VENDOR POST: Fri Sept 28 Webinar on FM11 new feats and
      collaborative review (Maxwell Hoffmann)
  14. Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
      solution (Jim Owens)
  15. Re: save as... FM 8 Mif (Writer)
  16. RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
      solution (Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net))
  17. RE: Bookmarks don't stay set (Reng, Dr. Winfried)
  18. RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
      solution (Gust, Dieter)
  19. RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
      solution (Reng, Dr. Winfried)
  20. Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
      solution (Scott Prentice)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:20:50 -0700
From: Karen Robbins <karendesign at gmail.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop
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At 12:00 PM -0500 9/27/12, Jeff Coatsworth
<jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com> wrote (about the printing problem):

>They're working on it - I just got an e-mail from my contact at Adobe 
>and they've recreated the issue with a sample book I gave them. There 
>is a workaround - flip to Structured FM and you don't get the error.

Thank goodness! Um... how does one "flip to structured"?

Karen

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:27:05 -0400
From: Jeff Coatsworth <jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop
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Edit > Preferences > General - look for Kapil Verma's post on the
workaround. 

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Subject: RE: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

At 12:00 PM -0500 9/27/12, Jeff Coatsworth
<jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com> wrote (about the printing problem):

>They're working on it - I just got an e-mail from my contact at Adobe 
>and they've recreated the issue with a sample book I gave them. There 
>is a workaround - flip to Structured FM and you don't get the error.

Thank goodness! Um... how does one "flip to structured"?

Karen
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:04:43 -0600
From: "Carol J. Elkins" <celkins at awrittenword.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
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Does anyone know if the problem occurs when using the Print Selected Files
option in unstructured FM11? Or does it only occur when using the Print Book
option?

Carol

At 11:00 AM 9/27/2012, you wrote:
>This issue occurs when a user who is running FrameMaker11 in 
>unstructured mode and tries to print a book, which was also created in 
>the unstructured mode. This issue is not present when printing a 
>Framemaker document, or when FrameMaker is running in structured mode.

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:33:45 -0400
From: Jeff Coatsworth <jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
	solution
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Yes it affects that command too; but you can still print individual files
and Save as PDF on the book. 

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Subject: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution

Does anyone know if the problem occurs when using the Print Selected Files
option in unstructured FM11? Or does it only occur when using the Print Book
option?

Carol

At 11:00 AM 9/27/2012, you wrote:
>This issue occurs when a user who is running FrameMaker11 in 
>unstructured mode and tries to print a book, which was also created in 
>the unstructured mode. This issue is not present when printing a 
>Framemaker document, or when FrameMaker is running in structured mode.

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:33:39 -0400
From: Roger Shuttleworth <shuttie27 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
	solution
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Hello Kapil

Although your workaround and fix will no doubt be highly appreciated by
unstructured users, they don't address the issue that we have seen with FM
11 /structured /- that is, that printing a file to the Adobe PDF printer
(whether using Save As, Save as PDF, or Print) takes 10 times as long as it
used to. I am not exaggerating. We have a 550-page structured book that we
used to convert to PDF in FM9 in about 10 minutes or less. 
Now with FM11 it takes 90 minutes or more.

I originally posted this issue on the Adobe forums - see
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4661181#4661181. But there was no
resolution. I guess if a FM developer says, "i have not seen that happening
a lot, except few cases ," that means have to live with it?

In the meantime, my recommendation to structured FM users is: If you want to
convert your docs to PDF, don't upgrade until Adobe do something about these
problems.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

On 27/09/2012 1:18 AM, Kapil Verma wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am from Adobe and wanted to give you some information about the 
> "Print to .PS" issue that has been reported in the forums recently. We 
> have looked into this issue and found the cause. Today, we wanted to 
> share it with you all along with a workaround solution in the interim.
> Furthermore, *we are working on fixing this issue and expect to come 
> out with a fix soon*.
>
> **
>
> *What causes the issue*
>
> This issue occurs when a user who is running FrameMaker11 in 
> _unstructured mode_ and tries to print a _book_, which was also 
> created in the unstructured mode. This issue is not present when 
> printing a Framemaker document, or when FrameMaker is running in 
> structured mode.
>
> *Workaround*
>
> The workaround is to switch to structured mode (you can do so by going 
> to Edit > Preferences > General and use the Product Interface dropdown 
> to select "Structured FrameMaker") and restart FrameMaker. This would 
> be a one-time action and afterwards, FrameMaker will launch in 
> Structured mode and you won't face this issue.
>
> This being said, we do however realize that many of you are working in 
> the unstructured mode and wouldn't like to see the additional 
> structured menus and toolbars. To address this, we are providing a set 
> of workspace, menu and toolbar files (attached with this message).
> With these files, a new workspace will be created in your FrameMaker 
> structured mode and this workspace will only have the unstructured 
> menus and toolbars. So, you can continue to work in a familiar 
> environment with only the unstructured features that you are used to 
> seeing. Please download the attached files and follow the steps below 
> to copy these files in the relevant folders.
>
> _Steps to create the new "Unstructured" workspace when running in the 
> Structured mode_
>
>  1. Copy Unstructured.fws in
>     %appdata%\Adobe\FrameMaker\11\WorkSpaces\Structured' folder  2. 
> Copy menus-unstr.cfg in
>     %appdata%\Adobe\FrameMaker\11\WorkSpaces\Structured\menus' folder  
> 3. Copy fmtoolbar-unstr.xml in
>     %appdata%\Adobe\FrameMaker\11\WorkSpaces\Structured\toolbars' 
> folder  4. Launch FM in structured mode and switch to the 'unstructured'
>     workspace.
>
> /* Note: this would not remove DITA and S1000D menus. If you want to 
> remove those menus as well, please write to me separately and I will 
> be happy to send you those instructions./
>
> Hope that this workaround works as a solution in the short term, while 
> we work hard on fixing this issue for you. We hope to come out with a 
> fix soon to this problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kapil Verma
>
> Sr. Product Manager - FrameMaker | FrameMaker Publishing Server
>
> O: +91-120-2444711 x 34505
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/category/framemaker
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:05:51 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Localization Process with FrameMaker 10
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A good professional will take your .fm files and use their translation
memory software to reduce costs on future updates.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Joseph Lorenzini <jaloren at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi Alison,
>
> We plan to hire a professional translator. =

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:20:11 -0400
From: Jaime Zuniga <JZuniga at protranslating.com>
To: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>,
	"framers at lists.frameusers.com"	<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Localization Process with FrameMaker 10
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Hi,

I work at a translations company and we handle FM files on a daily basis
from a few clients. If you need more info on our services and how we would
handle repetitions, translation memory matches and variables, please let me
know.

I apologize if offering our service is frowned upon in this forum, but I
could not help but comment in this case.

Thanks,
Jaime
ProTranslating
www.protranslating.com

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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:25 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Localization Process with FrameMaker 10

Professional translation services usually take the .fm files and run them
through their translation memory software so that the translators know what
has changed.

The limited utility and additional overhead of a house-developed kludge
might well end up making it more expensive than hiring professionals who
have the right tools for the job or, if you do a lot of translation
in-house, buying translation memory software.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:11:12 +0200
From: Mario Valerio <mail at marionet.it>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: save as... FM 8 Mif
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Hi to all.
A customer of mine ask me to save a lot of FM 8 e FM 10 files, in MIF 8
format.
Because this is optimized for translation workflow.
I have FM 10 and I could save in MIF 10 or MIF 7 directly.

I read about the possibility to save directly in FM8 or MIF8, using
scripting.
Could someone help me? It's about, perhaps, a free script?

Thanks, Mario
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:13:16 +0000
From: Ginger Swart <ginger.swart at etcconnect.com>
To: "'framers at lists.frameusers.com'" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: FM 10 Copy/Paste sometimes not keeping tags
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I just recently made the move to FM10 from FM8. I'm working with three large
book files, each was originally created in FM7 and have been moved up to FM8
and now FM10. The issue I'm having is with copy and pasting. Sometimes when
I copy and paste something, for example a bulleted paragraph with some bold
text, Frame will just paste it all as body text with none of my assigned
paragraph and character tags. Other times it works just fine. Normally I use
Ctrl + C and Ctrl+ P, but I've had the issue when I use the drop down menus
as well. I see the issue with both copy and pasting within the same
document, and copy and pasting from one document into another one in a
different book file. I've also had the issue when copy and pasting anchored
frames. With that I will sometimes just get the nothing to paste error
message.

Has anyone else had this issue?
I did have someone recommend that I save as mif and reopen. If I do that, do
I save the whole book as mif, or each file within the book?

Thanks!

Ginger Swart
Electronic Theatre Controls
Technical Commmunications Specialist
ginger.swart at etcconnect.com<mailto:ginger.swart at etcconnect.com>

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:48:04 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
	solution
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I'm curious to hear how well that works. Seems like editing unstructured
documents in structured mode is likely to have side effects. If that weren't
the case, why even have the mode switch?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Kapil Verma <kverma at adobe.com> wrote:

> Workaround
>
> The workaround is to switch to structured mode (you can do so by going 
> to Edit > Preferences > General and use the Product Interface dropdown 
> to select ?Structured FrameMaker?) and restart FrameMaker. This would 
> be a one-time action and afterwards, FrameMaker will launch in 
> Structured mode and you won?t face this issue.

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:29:21 +0000
From: Gillian Flato <Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Bookmarks don't stay set
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t>

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I am using Frame 10 in TCS 3 and have a problem that I did not have in Frame
7, 8 or 9.

When I print to PDF, I set up my bookmarks in the PDF Setup dialog, but they
don't stay set. Every single time I print to PDF, I have to delete all of
the other bookmarks that it puts in that field. It takes a long time to get
rid of them all. What is the deal. I never had this problem in previous
versions.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:37:48 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: simple FM10 ExtendScript
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Anybody have a simple FM10 ExtendScript for updating a book and saving as
PDF?

I can't say I'm surprised that the 697-page "Scripting Guide" does not
actually provide a clue about how to use ExtendScript.

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:02:09 -0700
From: Maxwell Hoffmann <mhoffman at adobe.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: VENDOR POST: Fri Sept 28 Webinar on FM11 new feats and
	collaborative review
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Adobe is hosting an instructive "how to" webinar focused on FrameMaker 11
with some touches on RoboHelp 10.

TWEET:
Sept 28 10 AM PAC #1 of 5-part TCS4 series "Collaborative Review Workflow:
FrameMaker 11" http://adobe.ly/Snvyht

Adobe product evangelist Maxwell Hoffmann will cover relevant new features
in FrameMaker 11 (like optional line numbering), other features like
enhancements to conditional text control, and how to effectively share PDF
for shared review in an Acrobat.com cloud. See best practices for comments
and annotations made via free Acrobat Reader, and how to import multiple
comments into FrameMaker.

You may register for the webinar at: 
http://adobe.ly/Snvyht

Webinar will be recorded. I will follow up with path to recording when
mounted.

________________________________________
Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |  c.
503.805.3719  |  mhoffman at adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann -
http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann  blogs.adobe.com/techcomm

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:47:44 -0400
From: Jim Owens <jowens at magma.ca>
To: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
	solution
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I'm always in structured mode (FM10 at the moment). Sometimes I work on 
unstructured documents, and I've never had a problem.

On 2012-09-27 13:48, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> I'm curious to hear how well that works. Seems like editing
> unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to have side
> effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch?
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Kapil Verma <kverma at adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> Workaround
>>
>> The workaround is to switch to structured mode (you can do so by going to
>> Edit > Preferences > General and use the Product Interface dropdown to
>> select ?Structured FrameMaker?) and restart FrameMaker. This would be a
>> one-time action and afterwards, FrameMaker will launch in Structured mode
>> and you won?t face this issue.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:48:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Writer <generic668 at yahoo.ca>
To: Mario Valerio <mail at marionet.it>,	"framers at lists.frameusers.com"
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Mario, see Jeremy's explanation here:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2012-September/026750.html

Nadine

>Hi to all.
>A customer of mine ask me to save a lot of FM 8 e FM 10 files, in MIF 8
format.
>Because this is optimized for translation workflow.
>I have FM 10 and I could save in MIF 10 or MIF 7 directly.
>
>
>I read about the possibility to save directly in FM8 or MIF8, using
scripting.
>Could someone help me? It's about, perhaps, a free script?
>
>
>Thanks, Mario

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:23:57 -0700
From: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)"
	<Syed.Hosain at aeris.net>
To: "Jim Owens" <jowens at magma.ca>,	"Robert Lauriston"
	<robert at lauriston.com>
Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
	solution
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Same here ... no issues whatsoever.

Z

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jim Owens
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:48 PM
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution

I'm always in structured mode (FM10 at the moment). Sometimes I work on
unstructured documents, and I've never had a problem.

On 2012-09-27 13:48, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> I'm curious to hear how well that works. Seems like editing 
> unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to have side 
> effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch?

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:47:04 +0000
From: "Reng, Dr. Winfried" <wreng at tycoint.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Bookmarks don't stay set
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Hi Gillian,

What do you mean with "they don't stay set"?
Do your paragraphs disappear in this dialog?
Obviously not, if you delete them.

I noticed that sometimes my PDFs are created without
bookmarks. However, when I open the PDF setup dialog
with the Bookmarks tab and just click OK, they are created
correctly the next time.
I did not notice any rule yet. My impression is that it's because
the file was created with older FrameMaker versions.
I run FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, 32 bit.

Best regards

Winfried

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:29 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Bookmarks don't stay set

I am using Frame 10 in TCS 3 and have a problem that I did not have in Frame
7, 8 or 9.

When I print to PDF, I set up my bookmarks in the PDF Setup dialog, but they
don't stay set. Every single time I print to PDF, I have to delete all of
the other bookmarks that it puts in that field. It takes a long time to get
rid of them all. What is the deal. I never had this problem in previous
versions.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com<mailto:Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com>

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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:33:57 +0200
From: "Gust, Dieter" <Dieter.Gust at itl.eu>
To: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>,
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Subject: RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
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-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution

>I'm curious to hear how well that works. 
> Seems like editing unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to
have side effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch?

FM has a long history (and structured  and non-structured FM had been
separate products) - already years ago the FM evangelist just said that: Use
structured mode only even for unstructured documents because FM's layout
engine and PDF interface are for unstructured documents the same in both
modes.

Dieter Gust
itl AG, Munich, Germany

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:38:52 +0000
From: "Reng, Dr. Winfried" <wreng at tycoint.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
	solution
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Hi,

I agree!

I always use the structured interface although all my files are
unstructured. No problems. No side-effects.
(FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, 32 bit and before FrameMaker 8 on Windows 2000)

Best regards

Winfried

> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gust, Dieter
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:34 AM
> To: Robert Lauriston; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
>
> >I'm curious to hear how well that works.
> > Seems like editing unstructured documents in structured mode is likely
to
> have side effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode
switch?
>
> FM has a long history (and structured  and non-structured FM had been
> separate products) - already years ago the FM evangelist just said that:
Use
> structured mode only even for unstructured documents because FM's layout
> engine and PDF interface are for unstructured documents the same in both
> modes.
>
> Dieter Gust
> itl AG, Munich, Germany
>
>
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:10:19 -0700
From: Scott Prentice <sp10 at leximation.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
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I wish that Adobe would do away with this structured/unstructured switch 
.. I think it causes more confusion than it does any good. All it does 
is remove the "StructureTools" and "Element" menus and a handful of UI 
elements from the structured interface. I think it would be better to 
provide an easy way to hide/show the menus of your choosing rather than 
using this "mode" switching.

It's perfectly safe to work on unstructured documents when the 
structured mode is enabled, and allows you to work on all types of 
documents.

Also, if there was just one mode, it would make testing much easier .. 
I'd think.

Cheers,

...scott

On 9/28/12 1:38 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I agree!
>
> I always use the structured interface although all my files are
> unstructured. No problems. No side-effects.
> (FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, 32 bit and before FrameMaker 8 on Windows
2000)
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
>> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gust, Dieter
>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:34 AM
>> To: Robert Lauriston; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
solution
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
>> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and
solution
>>
>>> I'm curious to hear how well that works.
>>> Seems like editing unstructured documents in structured mode is likely
to
>> have side effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode
switch?
>>
>> FM has a long history (and structured  and non-structured FM had been
>> separate products) - already years ago the FM evangelist just said that:
Use
>> structured mode only even for unstructured documents because FM's layout
>> engine and PDF interface are for unstructured documents the same in both
>> modes.
>>
>> Dieter Gust
>> itl AG, Munich, Germany
>>
>>
>>
>>
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