[Framers] Can't remove lines apparently covered by table

[Karen Robbins]

Great suggestions, Fred, thanks! I don't recall if I dumbly failed to 
choose the right selection tool. I'll reveal those lines and get rid 
of 'em using your suggestions.

Thanks all,
Karen

At 3:57 AM +0000 8/30/16, Fred Ridder wrote:
>First of all, you have to be using the right selection tool (the 
>graphic/multipurpose selection arrow on the graphics tool palette) 
>to be able to select them. And if the lines have been sent to the 
>back of the object stack, your attempts to select them will be 
>interpreted as applying to whatever is farther forward (e.g. the 
>table) rather than the lines, making selection.
>
>
>There are a couple of approaches that could work to allow you to 
>manipulate (i.e. delete) the lines themselves:
>
>
>1) Move the table downward in the flow so that the lines are 
>uncovered. One way to do this would be to temporarily insert a bunch 
>of returns in front of the table anchor symbol to push the table 
>down. Another approach might be to temporarily change the position 
>property of the table to top of next page.
>
>
>2) Click and drag to draw a selection box large enough to enclose 
>the whole table and whatever lies underneath it. Then de-select the 
>entire table via its anchor to leave only the lines (and any other 
>garbage) selected. At that point you should be able to simply delete 
>them. Or you can bring the garbage objects to the front where they 
>can be seen and selected and deleted.
>
>
>-FR
>
>
>From: Karen Robbins <karendesign at gmail.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 8:08 PM
>To: Fred Ridder
>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: [Framers] Can't remove lines apparently covered by table
>
>Framers are the best! Yes, they probably were graphic lines drawn at 
>one time or another. Yes, setting cell fill to 100% white hides 
>them. Thanks!
>
>Is that normal? Why can't  the lines themselves be selected (to 
>delete or even change their color to white)?
>
>--Karen
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Fred Ridder 
><<mailto:DocuDoc at hotmail.com>DocuDoc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Is it possible that you're seeing some lines that were drawn as 
>graphics (intentionally or unintentionally)? Try setting a 100% 
>white fill for the table rows in question and see if that make the 
>lines disappear.
>
>
>-FR
>
>
>
>From: Framers 
><framers-bounces+docudoc=<mailto:hotmail.com at lists.frameusers.com>hotmail.com at lists.frameusers.com> 
>on behalf of Karen Robbins 
><<mailto:karendesign at gmail.com>karendesign at gmail.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 5:01 PM
>To: <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: [Framers] Can't remove lines apparently covered by table
>
>Hi framers,
>
>In a detailed table some lines are visible in two rows (of 20+) that don't
>seem to be column, row, or cell border lines. No rule above or below is set
>for the nearest text. The lines do not align with the cells themselves, and
>they are about the same weight as the cell borders. I can't get rid of the
>lines--I can't even click them, even if I delete all the text in the cells
>where they appear to be. If I "select all" on the table, these lines
>disappear with the rest of the table. I've tried a handful of key
>combinations to try to release the lines--group and ungroup commands are
>grayed out--to no avail. How are these lines connected to the table? How
>can I disconnect and get rid of them? Obviously I do not want to rebuild
>and re-key the table.
>
>Thanks so much,
>Karen