[Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Karen,

I can only confirm what Tino said: ć is not part of HelveticaNeueLTStd.
Check for example here to see the available characters in this font:
https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/helvetica-neue/

The Windows character palette shows also characters which are _not_
in a particular font.
Use another tool like the free font browser BabelMap. It also has
some font analysis tools which show all available characters of a certain
font.
I just saw that the developers of BabelMap do not provide a download
until Unicode 9 is out.
http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html
However, if you search for BabelMap you will find other sites from
which you can download it.

Best regards

Winfried

-----Original Message-----
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tino H. Haida
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 4:10 AM
To: Karen Robbins
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent

Hi Karen,

I checked with FM 2015 on PC:
The glyph palette shows more characters, that is true, but only
characters that really are part of the font have a correct wysiwyg
preview.
If you click on the "ć", a question mark is shown in the text, which is
the expected result.

As far as I can tell, you should "upgrade" the Helvetica font... It will
be a little bit more expensive, but it is the best way to have a
consistent design throughout all different languages.

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

Karen Robbins:

> Hi Tino,
>
> Hm, that's interesting. On the Mac side, it does contain all the glyphs. And in the FM Character Palette, it looks like they are there as well (definitely NOT there for the basic Helvetica, in contrast).
>
> I'll look into another (Pro) version for the PC side. Would be a help with Greek characters, too--I already had to add a special font for those.
>
> Thanks!
> --Karen
>
> At 2:55 AM +0200 6/23/16, Tino H. Haida wrote: Hi Karen,
>
> the Std-font contains only the standard latin (western) characters.
>
> You would need the Pro-version of this Helvetica font (=latin extended, with Central European characters) oder the WGL4 font (includes also Baltic, Greek and Cyrillic characters).
>
> Pls refer to the website of a font vendor like Linotype.
>
> Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>
> Karen Robbins:
>
> Actually, I spoke too soon. It does work for some fonts (e.g., Garamond), but not others--including HelveticaNeueLT Std, the one I need. It should have all the characters and glyphs that exist.
>
> K
>
> At 8:41 PM +0000 6/22/16, Craig, Alison wrote:
>
> I don't know how to do it with the keyboard, but it's easy to do using File > Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12).
>
> Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you find "ç".
>
> Alison
>
> Technical Documentation Specialist
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> From: Framers [mailto:<mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com at lists.frameusers.com>framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM
> To: <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
>
> I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name
> Mi"iç), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame
> on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick
> reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that
> version). Still true for v11 and forward?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Karen

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