[Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Lin, 

with these fonts you would have to set or construct all bulleted numbers
manually. 
This would be ok for a few callouts. 

In this case though, the FM automatic numbering feature for paragraphs
produces numbers that cannot be mapped to the correct glyphs. 

At least, if you want to use higher two-digit numbers up to 99: 
-- The numeric sequence "n+" would only work up to "9". 
-- An alphabetic sequence "a+" would allow to map glyphs from a-z, i.e.
no more than 26 numbers. 
-- The roman numbering "r+" would not work at all. 
-- Newer FM versions like FM 12 have Japanese numberings; "hira iroha+"
produces 47 differents characters which might be mapped (of course, the
bullet font would have to be adjusted exactly to this mapping). 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Lin Sims: 

> Would using a number font that has circle backgrounds work? There are a
> whole bunch at this site:
> 
> http://www.fontscape.com/explore?3O4
> 
> There are several fonts that let you number up to 99 with them, but that
> should be plenty.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Rick Quatro <rick at rickquatro.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Framers,
>> 
>> Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client
>> of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from
>> FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file
>> that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me
>> know
>> if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> Rick Quatro
>> 
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>> 
>> 585-366-4017
>> 
>> rick at frameexpert.com
>> 
>> I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with
>> FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I successfully developed numbered bullets,
>> and as part of my research for this, I remember contacting you, which you
>> may or may not recall since it's been so long.
>> 
>> Numbered bullets are constructed as two paragraphs.
>> 
>> The first paragraph contains just one character (a bullet), in a font
>> called
>> BigBullet2.ttf. That first paragraph is a run-in paragraph.
>> 
>> The second paragraph starts with a tab, followed by an autonumber, followed
>> by another tab. The autonumber is white.
>> 
>> Setting the spread in the first paragraph to -42% enables me to achieve the
>> effect of having the white autonumber center over the black bullet.
>> 
>> But with FrameMaker 2015, the spread feature when used in conjunction with
>> a
>> run-in paragraph no longer works properly. At -42%, the autonumber hangs
>> out
>> at the right edge. I tried increasing the spread, and was able to improve
>> the position slightly. But the maximum response is at -53.3%, which is not
>> enough negative spread to center the number.
>> 
>> To illustrate:
>> 
>> In Frame 11 I have produced a whole array of technical manuals with
>> numbered
>> bullets in them. The prospect of now replacing them with plain bullets is
>> daunting and of course undesirable.
>> 
>> Of course the best option is for Adobe to fix the spread command/run-in
>> command so they work together the way they used to.
>> 
>> Do you happen to have any influence with Adobe to ask them to fix the
>> problem?
>> 
>> I have attached the Frame file, in case you have the time/interest to
>> experiment and find a solution.
>> 
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