[Framers] xref from FM file created by DITA-FMx to unstructured Frame?

[Lin Sims]

Some of the files are FM generated from XML using your plugin. Others are
FM created in Frame. The ones generated from .XML have elements, the others
don't. Both sets are edited with FM set to the structured INTERFACE, but
only the Frame on the server is in a structured environment. Which is where
I made my mistake, since I was trying to use the FM instance on my laptop
that is not in a structured environment. If I work in the structured
environment, I can insert an fm-xref from the used-to-be-XML files to the
always-have-been-FM files.

Sorry for being unclear (before and possibly now). The last two weeks or so
have been stressful and tiring, and I'm not communicating as well as I'd
like to be.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Scott Prentice <sp14 at leximation.com> wrote:

> Ah .. so aren't they "DITA" files rather than FM files? If they are DITA
> files and are in the same ditamap which is built into the same book then
> PDF .. then yes, just insert a fm-xref, select the target DITA file, then
> select the target element, and you should be good to go!
>
> But this doesn't work with FM files and especially with unstructured FM
> files.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 11/22/16 1:29 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> Oh, dear. I think I've misled you.
>
> Both FM files are in the same book, which is turned into a single PDF
> file. Everything is internal to that PDF file. I have done it before, I'd
> simply forgotten I had to do this down on the server.
>
> It's been a stressful couple of weeks, and my brain went to la-la land.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Scott Prentice <sp14 at leximation.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Linking an xref (of fm-xref) to a target in a FM file will never result
>> in the link going to a PDF file that's generated from that FM file. The
>> only way for an xref to link to a PDF is to use an external xref, and set
>> the @href attribute to the file name of the target PDF file (assuming the
>> target PDF is in the same folder as the PDF that you're linking from). Even
>> then I'm not sure it'll work, but in theory it should. If you want to link
>> to a target within a PDF, you'll need to add the necessary coding to the
>> @href attribute that will make that happen. Off hand I'm not sure what that
>> coding is, but in theory it's possible .. I think.
>>
>> The problem with linking to the source FM file, is that it won't know
>> what the yet-to-be-created PDF file name is, and that's really what you
>> need .. the PDF links to a PDF, not to a FM file.
>>
>> To create an external xref, insert an "xref" (not an fm-xref), and choose
>> the "External" button from that dialog. This will let you specify the href
>> (either a path/filename or a URL to the PDF file), the link text, and the
>> scope (choose "external"). This should set the @format attribute to "pdf".
>>
>> When you generate the book (and then the PDF) from the ditamap, if the
>> resulting PDF is placed in the same folder as the linked PDF, the link in
>> the "DITA" PDF should open the target "FM" PDF. Be sure to select the
>> "Convert xrefs to Hyperlinks" in the Book Build Options dialog when
>> generating the book from the ditamap in FMx.
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/16 12:15 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>
>> I don't care if it works in Frame, as long as it works in the PDF!
>>
>> And I suspect part of the problem is, as I said, because I was not
>> working in the fully structured environment we maintain on our server.
>> FM2016 is set to the structured interface on my personal laptop (we all
>> have it that way), but without the EDD/DTD, I couldn't get anything
>> meaningful in the elements list. Once I used the server-installation of FM,
>> I was able to add an fm-xref, which is I think an internal definition(? or
>> yours, I forget which) that allows us to refer to paragraph tags as well as
>> elements for xrefs.
>>
>> With luck, FM2015 will be installed on the server soon, and things will
>> do what I want them to do.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Scott Prentice <sp14 at leximation.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI .. no, not possible (in a meaningful way) to create an xref from a
>>> DITA file to an unstructured FM file. In theory you could create an
>>> "external" xref to the FM file, but the best you could hope for would be
>>> that it would open the FM file in FM when the link was clicked (and likely
>>> that wouldn't even work).
>>>
>>> ...scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/22/16 10:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>>>
>>>> Never mind, figured out that (part of the problem) is that I was working
>>>> with my local version of Frame, that has no links to an EDD/DTD. The
>>>> server
>>>> version (which does) works fine.
>>>>
>>>> Now to get the tools guy to upgrade the server from FM12 to FM2015, so I
>>>> don't have to save down for everything.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is this even possible? I've got both files open, but when I try to
>>>>> insert
>>>>> an xref, I only get the DITA menu and it won't let me select anything
>>>>> but
>>>>> elements. Which the other file doesn't have, of course, it not being
>>>>> DITA/xml.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to email Scott directly, but I got a bounce, so I obviously
>>>>> have
>>>>> the wrong address.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Lin Sims
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Lin Sims
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