[Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
Lin Sims
ljsims.ml at gmail.com
Tue Mar 21 08:42:55 PDT 2017
David,
I've never worked with TimeSavers (or created forms of any sort), so my
understanding of what his tools can do is limited. He does say that he can
provide custom solutions, so it may be worthwhile to contact him and ask
both about the Forms Assistant capabilities and whether creating dynamic
forms is possible with his tool. Be pretty cool if you could! :)
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:22 AM, David Artman <david at davidartman.com>
wrote:
> Whoops! I didn't read your second reply before responding.
>
> No worries.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
> From: Lin Sims <[1]ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, March 21, 2017 10:08 am
> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
> <[2]framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Hmmm. Just now reading up on dynamic forms. Did NOT realize they
> rerendered; I have mistaken interactive for dynamic, I guess.
> My apologies, David.
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Lin Sims <[3]ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > If by a dynamic form you're talking about a PDF form that can be
> filled in
> > and saved, then yes, it can. There's a plugin for forms call Forms
> > Assistant. Fillable fields, drop-down selection, radio buttons, check
> > marks, the works. I took one of his courses years ago, and the order
> form
> > was a PDF he made using Frame and TimeSavers. It was very slick.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, David Artman
> <[4]david at davidartman.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Oh, yes, I'm well aware of MicroType TimeSavers. I do not think they
> >> will do dynamic forms, though.
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
> >> From: Lin Sims <[1][5]ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Mon, March 20, 2017 4:18 pm
> >> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
> >> <[2][6]framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> >> Dave,
> >> If you want to create forms and other things in Frame for output to
> >> PDF,
> >> check out Shlomo Perets' Microtypes website. His TimeSavers tools
> >> insert
> >> postscript code into Frame files to do things like create dynamic
> >> forms.
> >> [3][7]http://microtype.com/showcase.html
> >> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:52 PM, David Artman
> >> <[4][8]david at davidartman.com> wrote:
> >> > You can use Acrobat Pro to append a PDF file to another PDF file,
> in
> >> > whole or in part, and (IIRC) at any location using Document >
> Insert
> >> > Pages.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, this adds a step (or more!) to workflow. Yes, the inserted
> PDF
> >> > will have its own footers, etc; and thus, you might have to do
> some
> >> > fancy footwork with page numbering in the two source files to get
> it
> >> > all to align. Yes, any other autonumbering will be similarly
> >> > problematic, requiring you to force it to start with a specific
> value
> >> > (e.g., n=25). But you'll have a PDF "in" another PDF.
> >> >
> >> > As for "is [it] recommended", I think it's a good practice if you
> get
> >> > content from a business partner, legal, or some other entity that
> >> would
> >> > not want you to have any chance of editing it. (Hmm... but such a
> >> > locked-down PDF might not be appendable, in part or in whole, to
> >> > another one? And you can always use Advanced Text Tools on
> unlocked
> >> > PDFs, so maybe this use case ISN'T a good one! You'd probably have
> to
> >> > insert into FrameMaker as full-page "images" if locked down.)
> >> >
> >> > OK, another use case is a PDF created in another editor, for
> example
> >> a
> >> > dynamic form made in LiveCycle Designer. VERY hard to do such
> things
> >> in
> >> > FrameMaker, but easy in LCD. I've never tried that workflow, but
> it
> >> > seems kosher.
> >> >
> >> > Finally, you could have an 'example' PDF that is a sample of
> output
> >> > resulting from a process that is documented in the earlier PDF.
> That
> >> > would avoid you having to setup several master pages in the same
> book
> >> > to show the variations. OR, if you are, say, making a training
> manual
> >> > for using your publishing environment, and you want to show a
> sample
> >> of
> >> > all the output types, but Help won't append: make the Help output
> >> save
> >> > as PDF and then append tot he "how to" main PDF:
> >> >
> >> > * How To Run Output (1 PDF with 'internal style')
> >> >
> >> > ** PDF Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book with
> >> > 'external style')
> >> >
> >> > ** Help Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book
> rendered
> >> as
> >> > Help then exported/saved as PDF)
> >> >
> >> > ** (etc.)
> >> >
> >> > So, sure! It's recommended in cases where sourcing everything in
> >> > FrameMaker is impossible, too time consuming, or a poor
> content-reuse
> >> > scenario. Hope this helps;
> >> >
> >> > David
> >> >
> >> > -------- Original Message --------
> >> > Subject: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
> >> > From: lklane64 <[1][5][9]lklane64 at gmail.com>
> >> > Date: Fri, March 17, 2017 9:35 am
> >> > To: [2][6][10]framers at lists.frameusers.com
> >> > I was wondering if anyone answered the question about adding PDFs
> to
> >> a
> >> > FM book file. Does anyone know if this is possible or even
> >> > recommended?
> >> > Thanks in advance,Laura
> >> >
> >> > References
> >> >
> >> > 1. [7][11]mailto:lklane64 at gmail.com
> >> > 2. [8][12]mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com
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