[Framers] PDFs in a FM book file

David Artman david at davidartman.com
Tue Mar 21 08:22:56 PDT 2017 

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   -------- Original Message --------
   Subject: Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
   From: Lin Sims <[1]ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
   Date: Tue, March 21, 2017 10:08 am
   To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
   <[2]framers at lists.frameusers.com>
   Hmmm. Just now reading up on dynamic forms. Did NOT realize they
   rerendered; I have mistaken interactive for dynamic, I guess.
   My apologies, David.
   On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Lin Sims <[3]ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > If by a dynamic form you're talking about a PDF form that can be
   filled in
   > and saved, then yes, it can. There's a plugin for forms call Forms
   > Assistant. Fillable fields, drop-down selection, radio buttons, check
   > marks, the works. I took one of his courses years ago, and the order
   form
   > was a PDF he made using Frame and TimeSavers. It was very slick.
   >
   >
   >
   > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, David Artman
   <[4]david at davidartman.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   >> Oh, yes, I'm well aware of MicroType TimeSavers. I do not think they
   >> will do dynamic forms, though.
   >>
   >> -------- Original Message --------
   >> Subject: Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
   >> From: Lin Sims <[1][5]ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
   >> Date: Mon, March 20, 2017 4:18 pm
   >> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
   >> <[2][6]framers at lists.frameusers.com>
   >> Dave,
   >> If you want to create forms and other things in Frame for output to
   >> PDF,
   >> check out Shlomo Perets' Microtypes website. His TimeSavers tools
   >> insert
   >> postscript code into Frame files to do things like create dynamic
   >> forms.
   >> [3][7]http://microtype.com/showcase.html
   >> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:52 PM, David Artman
   >> <[4][8]david at davidartman.com> wrote:
   >> > You can use Acrobat Pro to append a PDF file to another PDF file,
   in
   >> > whole or in part, and (IIRC) at any location using Document >
   Insert
   >> > Pages.
   >> >
   >> > Yes, this adds a step (or more!) to workflow. Yes, the inserted
   PDF
   >> > will have its own footers, etc; and thus, you might have to do
   some
   >> > fancy footwork with page numbering in the two source files to get
   it
   >> > all to align. Yes, any other autonumbering will be similarly
   >> > problematic, requiring you to force it to start with a specific
   value
   >> > (e.g., n=25). But you'll have a PDF "in" another PDF.
   >> >
   >> > As for "is [it] recommended", I think it's a good practice if you
   get
   >> > content from a business partner, legal, or some other entity that
   >> would
   >> > not want you to have any chance of editing it. (Hmm... but such a
   >> > locked-down PDF might not be appendable, in part or in whole, to
   >> > another one? And you can always use Advanced Text Tools on
   unlocked
   >> > PDFs, so maybe this use case ISN'T a good one! You'd probably have
   to
   >> > insert into FrameMaker as full-page "images" if locked down.)
   >> >
   >> > OK, another use case is a PDF created in another editor, for
   example
   >> a
   >> > dynamic form made in LiveCycle Designer. VERY hard to do such
   things
   >> in
   >> > FrameMaker, but easy in LCD. I've never tried that workflow, but
   it
   >> > seems kosher.
   >> >
   >> > Finally, you could have an 'example' PDF that is a sample of
   output
   >> > resulting from a process that is documented in the earlier PDF.
   That
   >> > would avoid you having to setup several master pages in the same
   book
   >> > to show the variations. OR, if you are, say, making a training
   manual
   >> > for using your publishing environment, and you want to show a
   sample
   >> of
   >> > all the output types, but Help won't append: make the Help output
   >> save
   >> > as PDF and then append tot he "how to" main PDF:
   >> >
   >> > * How To Run Output (1 PDF with 'internal style')
   >> >
   >> > ** PDF Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book with
   >> > 'external style')
   >> >
   >> > ** Help Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book
   rendered
   >> as
   >> > Help then exported/saved as PDF)
   >> >
   >> > ** (etc.)
   >> >
   >> > So, sure! It's recommended in cases where sourcing everything in
   >> > FrameMaker is impossible, too time consuming, or a poor
   content-reuse
   >> > scenario. Hope this helps;
   >> >
   >> > David
   >> >
   >> > -------- Original Message --------
   >> > Subject: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
   >> > From: lklane64 <[1][5][9]lklane64 at gmail.com>
   >> > Date: Fri, March 17, 2017 9:35 am
   >> > To: [2][6][10]framers at lists.frameusers.com
   >> > I was wondering if anyone answered the question about adding PDFs
   to
   >> a
   >> > FM book file. Does anyone know if this is possible or even
   >> > recommended?
   >> > Thanks in advance,Laura
   >> >
   >> > References
   >> >
   >> > 1. [7][11]mailto:lklane64 at gmail.com
   >> > 2. [8][12]mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com
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