[Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?
Lin Sims
ljsims.ml at gmail.com
Tue Apr 17 07:41:13 PDT 2018
Made me chuckle, too.
My latest grievance, however, was the way you can't tell where the <long
list of swear words redacted> cross-reference bookmarks are invisible by
default and barely visible if you know how to fiddle the settings (I
didn't), so when I moved some text in front of a heading, all the text got
included in the cross-reference to that heading when I regenerated,
sometimes recursively. That REALLY sucked. My document exploded from 40
pages to almost 200 thanks to that little trick.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Lise Bible <rentagoodbook at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think I've got any "advanced Frame" ideas to add, but Bernard, your
> Word list example made me chuckle.
> -Lise
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Bernard Aschwanden <
> bernard at publishingsmarter.com> wrote:
>
> > Lin: Consider making a list of why Word annoys you and share it with
> others
> > internally or on the list here.
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > 1. Numbering
> > a. Restarting and continuing lists
> > b. Subordinate lists
> > 4. Resetting numbering
> > c. within lists
> > d. between lists
> > 5. Just get me FM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As for Advanced Users: First off, is it an advanced user who creates
> > content
> > as an author or one who builds templates? Or even one who has to work
> with
> > structure and build/maintain the EDD?
> >
> > In all cases, a few things to think about or ask them about:
> >
> > Do they know about this discussion list?
> > How long have they used FM?
> > Can they define what a reference page, master page, and body page is and
> > does?
> > Do they know what text frames and text lines are?
> > Do they import images by reference?
> > Can they troubleshoot numbering (see the above sample)?
> > How do they manage paragraph or character tags?
> > Can they import formats between documents?
> > How do they propose to deal with a document that has manual overrides in
> > it?
> > Can they generate a book, TOC, and IX file from templates without
> guidance?
> > Is there something that YOU learn from them about the tool?
> > How did they learn FM?
> >
> > That's a short list from me. Oh, and add in this one: Have them teach
> you a
> > feature (even if you know it) and see what their workflow is.
> >
> > Bernard
> >
> > PS. I also used to ask for a cover letter and resume in FM format.
> Serious
> > users provided me with a way to gauge how they use the tool for a
> document
> > that may have unique challenges. I got to see their approach to tags,
> empty
> > paragraphs, watermarks, variables, or whatever else they felt like
> putting
> > into it. A great insight.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers
> > [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com@
> lists.frameusers.com
> > ]
> > On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:27 AM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?
> >
> > That's WORD users who do that!
> >
> > (Finally back in the workforce, currently using Word because until
> > yesterday I was a contractor, not an employee. Hoping they get me Frame
> > soon, because Word is driving me right up a tree.)
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Art Campbell <art.campbell at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Advanced FM users usually have kind of a 1000 yard stare...
> > > And may have little square marks on their faces from banging their
> heads
> > on
> > > the keyboard.
> > >
> > >
> > > Art Campbell
> > > art.campbell at gmail.com
> > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> > and
> > > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> > > No disclaimers
> > apply.
> > > DoD 358
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Robert Lauriston <
> robert at lauriston.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > If I had a badly maintained FrameMaker book with a lot of cruft on
> the
> > > > reference pages, inconsistent styles, and so on, I'd ask them to
> > > > identify problems and say how they'd clean them up.
> > > >
> > > > I'd ask to see one or more templates they'd created and have them
> > > > detail the process of creating a new book from them.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, the first thing I'd suggest would be to consider whether
> > > > it's time to move on from FrameMaker.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Carol J. Elkins
> > > > <celkins at awrittenword.com> wrote:
> > > > > Over the next couple of years, I need to help my major client find
> > and
> > > > train
> > > > > an in-house replacement for me as I wind down my freelance
> practice.
> > > They
> > > > > will not consider an independent contractor next time, so it may be
> > > > harder
> > > > > to recruit and identify someone with the required skills. I've
> built
> > 20
> > > > > years of documentation for this client in unstructured Framemaker,
> > and
> > > > > managing these thousands of documents and books depends less on
> > someone
> > > > > being a good technical writer than being an excellent Framemaker
> > user.
> > > > >
> > > > > For those of you who are corporate employers, I'd like to know how
> > you
> > > > > screen candidates to identify those who truly are advanced
> Framemaker
> > > > users.
> > > > > Is there a test you employ? Do you ask them to build a template
> from
> > > > > scratch? Are there certifications that you require? Do you use a
> > > > recruiting
> > > > > service? How would you locate qualified candidates (in addition to
> > > > posting
> > > > > to Frameusers)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that I am NOT recruiting; that is still a few years down the
> > road
> > > > 8-).
> > > > > I just need to start thinking about the best way to replace myself.
> > My
> > > > > long-time designated backup is also planning to retire in the next
> > > > couple of
> > > > > years, so I have to start again to find the best person for my
> job. I
> > > am
> > > > > willing to train them how to do my job, but it requires their
> already
> > > > being
> > > > > a master of Framemaker.
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