[Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility property names for the various binary doc types that start with
Craig Ede
craigede at hotmail.com
Fri Nov 30 07:36:29 PST 2018
I just looked this up in the pdf at https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/pdfs/framemaker_scripting.pdf
There are a number of Properties listed that start with Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary60 (for FM6) and go to Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary110 (for FM11). The value used with each of these properties changes as listed in the table (pp121-122) and that results in saving a binary file of that version. I expect there are also values Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary for the newer version that have not yet made it into this Aug. 2018 release of the documentation.
Craig
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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
Not true, as Rick and Lin's postings indicate. Extendscript allows saving to a number of previous formats. Extendscript only functions in versions FM10 and up, but, if memory serves (a big caveat), you can save back to at least v7.1. Of course, the use of any new features will be lost when doing that, so use the same template as the folks using your previous version to avoid that.
Craig
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FrameMaker only allows doing a save as to one previous version (R-1).
Example: If using FM 14, the files can only be saved as to the FM 13
version.
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> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14. Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues
> can use (FM 11)?
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> I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come across
> a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> way around them.
>
> In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear at
> the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
>
> I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there too.
>
> The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> frequent problems.
> Other ideas?
>
> Links to Table Footnotes:
> In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2 cells
> and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
>
> It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of the
> footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and if
> there's another way.
>
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> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14.
> Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues can
> use
> (FM 11)?
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> Regards,
> Jim Marek
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table footnotes
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> You could try increasing the row height slightly for that table so that a
> row or two rolls to the next page. I don't think using the Keep with Next
> will do what you're looking for, anyway, since it affects the table rows,
> not the footnotes.
>
> Truthfully, I've never been entirely happy with how Frame handles
> footnotes, particularly ones for tables. It's one of the few times where I
> think Word handles it better, which means it's one of the few things Word
> does that I agree with. ;-)
>
> I don't port to any Help formats, so I've no idea why it's pulling the text
> of the footnote. Generally speaking, though, if you want to have multiple
> references to the same footnote, best practise is to use the
> cross-reference function, not manually typing and adding a hyperlink. This
> has the added benefit that if your footnote numbering changes, the xref
> automatically updates on your next regen of the book file.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:25 PM Bragg, Judy - Xylem <judy at hypack.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come
> across
> > a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> > way around them.
> >
> > In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> > I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> > to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear
> at
> > the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> > roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
> >
> > I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> > inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> > the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there
> too.
> >
> > The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> > Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> > frequent problems.
> > Other ideas?
> >
> > Links to Table Footnotes:
> > In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> > I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> > made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2
> cells
> > and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
> >
> > It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> > instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of
> the
> > footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> > removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and
> if
> > there's another way.
> >
> > Judy Bragg
> > Technical Writer/QC
> > HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
> > 56 Bradley St.
> > Middletown, CT 06457
> > O: +1.860.635.1500
> > Judy.bragg at xyleminc.com<mailto:Judy.bragg at xyleminc.com>
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> I'm facing the challenge of organizing the file structure of dozens of
> documents and their respective imported graphics. What's are the best
> practices in this regard? I'm inclined to maintain an Images folder with
> separate sub-folders for each document's graphics, and another sub-folder
> for graphics that are common to multiple documents.
>
> Where I worked before we stored images in a sub-folder below the document's
> FM folder, but I'm leaning away from that approach since it complicates
> things when you are scanning images outside of Frame. And other reasons,
> of course.
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> Thanks,
>
> Doug
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> All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> version archiving simple.
> My 2?
> David
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> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <David at davidartman.com>
> wrote:
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> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
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> I have to concur with the suggestions to keep everything associated with a
> project / book in one folder - even though it seemed counterintuitive to
> organizing by subfolder. I have a 12 chapter textbook with 150 figures and
> tried segregating the graphics into a separate subfolder and ensuring the
> linking path was correct. But, having to move across systems - and
> generating FM pdf book output as well as WebWorks for epub and HTML5 book
> output - convinced me that one folder works best. But, without an SVN type
> repository I did have to move older chapters to a separate folder (if I
> needed to save versions) and could keep the master folder with everything
> being used in the project.
> Bill
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> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <David at davidartman.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
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