[Framers] Create a separate ToC for each text flow?

Tue May 21 13:14:14 PDT 2019

I just found an old post in the forums from Peter Gold that confirms my
initial suspicion: "TOCs are expected to be generated from a single text
flow."
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/959453

So if you're using two text flows and want separate TOCs, one for each, I
think you'll have to use my original suggestion of separate tags, one for
each flow, retagging your headings (even in 500 pages, that shouldn't be
more than a half-hour or an hour using Find & Replace using the Copy
Special > Paragraph Tag and replacing by pasting--you're only retagging the
information you want in the TOC, not every single paragraph), and then
creating the TOCs individually and using  text inset to create a combined
TOC.

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:58 PM Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com> wrote:

> Add it as a feature request? I suspect, though, that the only way you can
> get a TOC that is in two flows separated by language at the moment is to
> use my original suggestion.
>
> I could post the question to the Adobe FrameMaker forum if you want. Lots
> of people there who know Frame much better than I do.
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:02 AM Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Creating separate paragraph tags for French and Dutch is not really an
>> option, because we'd have to retag the whole text (500 + pages). Richard
>> Mitchell suggested to use conditional text for the French and Dutch text.
>> I
>> haven't tried this, but that might work.
>>
>> Anyway, Adobe should add this feature: simply allow the user to create a
>> ToC with multiple text flows, in which the generated ToC appears in the
>> corresponding text flows, so the headings from flow A in appears in flow A
>> in the ToC, headings from flow B in flow B etc.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Yves
>>
>> On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 17:47, Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Craig,
>> >
>> > Assuming I understood this correctly, I don't think this is possible. As
>> > far as I know, you can only have one TOC reference page, and there's no
>> way
>> > to specify which text flow it goes into. Be interesting to find out if
>> I'm
>> > wrong on that, though, as I can see it being useful.
>> >
>> > Yves, let us know what you try out and how it works, would you please?
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:36 PM Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yves,
>> > >
>> > > I was thinking of something similar to what Lin describes, but I don't
>> > > have time to check it and didn't want to lead you down a wrong path.
>> > > However, once you create the TOC file as an autogenerated file, it
>> might
>> > be
>> > > possible to create the two text flows in that file, one for each
>> > language.
>> > > The page flows and formatting tags on the reference page for the TOC
>> > would
>> > > have to be divided as well with the correct tags to use for
>> formatting on
>> > > the appropriate side. All the flow names have to be named the same for
>> > each
>> > > of the 'views' (that is, on both the TOC reference and master pages).
>> I
>> > > don't know for sure, but it just might work, and that would let you
>> just
>> > > generate the file, no muss, no fuss.
>> > >
>> > > Good luck.
>> > >
>> > > Craig
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=
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>> > >
>> > > on behalf of Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
>> > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:14 PM
>> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Create a separate ToC for each text flow?
>> > >
>> > > Could you use two different paragraph tags for each heading level, one
>> > for
>> > > Dutch and one for French? Perhaps distinguished by -D and -Fr. Then
>> you
>> > > could generate separate TOCs easily enough from the same file, but off
>> > the
>> > > top of my head I can't figure out how to combine the two different
>> TOCs
>> > > into the same generated file.
>> > >
>> > > Oh! Could you create a second file that has two separate text frames
>> as
>> > > parallel columns, then use insets to have the French TOC in one column
>> > and
>> > > the Dutch in the other? Then all you'd have to do is exclude the
>> > generated
>> > > files from the doc when creating your output ...
>> > >
>> > > (NB: I have not tested this. No idea if it would work. But it sounds
>> > > possible.)
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 8:14 AM Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Framers
>> > > >
>> > > > I've got this nice challenge:
>> > > >
>> > > > I've got a big FrameMaker book in which each chapter has 2 separate
>> > text
>> > > > flows: one for Dutch text and one for French. The Dutch and French
>> text
>> > > > appears side by side on each page.
>> > > >
>> > > > I want to create a table of contents which has the same: a Dutch
>> text
>> > > flow
>> > > > on the left and a French text flow on the right.
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't see a "standard" way of doing this in Fm. When I generate a
>> > ToC,
>> > > I
>> > > > get the Dutch and French text mixed together in a single flow:
>> > > >
>> > > > Dutch heading.... page 1
>> > > > French heading.... page 1
>> > > > Dutch heading.... page 2
>> > > > French heading.... page 2
>> > > >
>> > > > etc.
>> > > >
>> > > > My current workaround is kinda complicated:
>> > > >
>> > > >    1. Create 3 versions of the book, one bilingual (master)
>> version, a
>> > > >    French version and a Dutch version.
>> > > >    2. Remove all French text from the Dutch book and vice versa.
>> > > >    3. Generate a ToC in the French version.
>> > > >    4. Generate a ToC in the Dutch version.
>> > > >    5. In the bilingual version, import the Dutch ToC in the Dutch
>> text
>> > > flow
>> > > >    of the "fake ToC" and import the French ToC in the French text
>> flow.
>> > > >
>> > > > It works, but it's too complicated and will take too much time when
>> > > updates
>> > > > occur.
>> > > >
>> > > > Any better ideas? Can an ExtendScript do this?
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > >
>> > > > Yves Barbion
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