[Framers] Create a separate ToC for each text flow?

Tue May 21 12:58:33 PDT 2019

Add it as a feature request? I suspect, though, that the only way you can
get a TOC that is in two flows separated by language at the moment is to
use my original suggestion.

I could post the question to the Adobe FrameMaker forum if you want. Lots
of people there who know Frame much better than I do.

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:02 AM Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Creating separate paragraph tags for French and Dutch is not really an
> option, because we'd have to retag the whole text (500 + pages). Richard
> Mitchell suggested to use conditional text for the French and Dutch text. I
> haven't tried this, but that might work.
>
> Anyway, Adobe should add this feature: simply allow the user to create a
> ToC with multiple text flows, in which the generated ToC appears in the
> corresponding text flows, so the headings from flow A in appears in flow A
> in the ToC, headings from flow B in flow B etc.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Yves
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 17:47, Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Craig,
> >
> > Assuming I understood this correctly, I don't think this is possible. As
> > far as I know, you can only have one TOC reference page, and there's no
> way
> > to specify which text flow it goes into. Be interesting to find out if
> I'm
> > wrong on that, though, as I can see it being useful.
> >
> > Yves, let us know what you try out and how it works, would you please?
> >
> > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:36 PM Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yves,
> > >
> > > I was thinking of something similar to what Lin describes, but I don't
> > > have time to check it and didn't want to lead you down a wrong path.
> > > However, once you create the TOC file as an autogenerated file, it
> might
> > be
> > > possible to create the two text flows in that file, one for each
> > language.
> > > The page flows and formatting tags on the reference page for the TOC
> > would
> > > have to be divided as well with the correct tags to use for formatting
> on
> > > the appropriate side. All the flow names have to be named the same for
> > each
> > > of the 'views' (that is, on both the TOC reference and master pages). I
> > > don't know for sure, but it just might work, and that would let you
> just
> > > generate the file, no muss, no fuss.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > ________________________________
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> > >
> > > on behalf of Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:14 PM
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> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Create a separate ToC for each text flow?
> > >
> > > Could you use two different paragraph tags for each heading level, one
> > for
> > > Dutch and one for French? Perhaps distinguished by -D and -Fr. Then you
> > > could generate separate TOCs easily enough from the same file, but off
> > the
> > > top of my head I can't figure out how to combine the two different TOCs
> > > into the same generated file.
> > >
> > > Oh! Could you create a second file that has two separate text frames as
> > > parallel columns, then use insets to have the French TOC in one column
> > and
> > > the Dutch in the other? Then all you'd have to do is exclude the
> > generated
> > > files from the doc when creating your output ...
> > >
> > > (NB: I have not tested this. No idea if it would work. But it sounds
> > > possible.)
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 8:14 AM Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Framers
> > > >
> > > > I've got this nice challenge:
> > > >
> > > > I've got a big FrameMaker book in which each chapter has 2 separate
> > text
> > > > flows: one for Dutch text and one for French. The Dutch and French
> text
> > > > appears side by side on each page.
> > > >
> > > > I want to create a table of contents which has the same: a Dutch text
> > > flow
> > > > on the left and a French text flow on the right.
> > > >
> > > > I don't see a "standard" way of doing this in Fm. When I generate a
> > ToC,
> > > I
> > > > get the Dutch and French text mixed together in a single flow:
> > > >
> > > > Dutch heading.... page 1
> > > > French heading.... page 1
> > > > Dutch heading.... page 2
> > > > French heading.... page 2
> > > >
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > My current workaround is kinda complicated:
> > > >
> > > >    1. Create 3 versions of the book, one bilingual (master) version,
> a
> > > >    French version and a Dutch version.
> > > >    2. Remove all French text from the Dutch book and vice versa.
> > > >    3. Generate a ToC in the French version.
> > > >    4. Generate a ToC in the Dutch version.
> > > >    5. In the bilingual version, import the Dutch ToC in the Dutch
> text
> > > flow
> > > >    of the "fake ToC" and import the French ToC in the French text
> flow.
> > > >
> > > > It works, but it's too complicated and will take too much time when
> > > updates
> > > > occur.
> > > >
> > > > Any better ideas? Can an ExtendScript do this?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Yves Barbion
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