[Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

Wed Feb 3 05:14:17 PST 2021

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On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:32 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) <
Matt.Harrington.Contractor at usap.gov> wrote:

> I will try both of those suggestions. I have multiple copies of this O&M
> manual (and many others) I can experiment with and import from. That is
> especially a good point about the current TOC file. It may be corrupt or
> have some odd issue with it. I forget that this isn't the wider Adobe
> FrameMaker community and am familiar with Barb Binder and Klaus Daube--I've
> gotten some good info from them.
>
> Thank you again for your suggestions. I will see what works.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Framers <framers-bounces+matt.harrington.contractor=
> usap.gov at lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:54 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue
> in FM-generated PDF
>
> Huh. At this point, I'd try two things. First is a MIF wash of the TOC
> file, then a regeneration of the PDF. If that doesn't fix it, I'd suggest
> deleting the current TOC file (from the book and disk) and recreating it
> from scratch and see if it works correctly. (I hope you have a TOC template
> somewhere with the correct paragraph formats and reference page that you
> can import from.)
>
> If that still doesn't work, I would suggest posting to the Adobe
> FrameMaker community. I'm there, too, but there are lots of people who dig
> far further into the esoterica of FM also there, such as Barb Binder and
> Matt Sullivan and Klaus Daube, who may have an idea of what's causing this.
>
> At this point, without actually seeing the files in question, I can't
> visualize things well enough to help, and I'm sorry about that.
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) <
> Matt.Harrington.Contractor at usap.gov> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your patience. Hard to describe graphics textually
> sometimes.
> >
> > What you just described is correct. The links in my List of Figures,
> > List of Tables, and Index of the generated PDF work exactly the same
> > as you described they work for you. When I hover my mouse over the
> > invisible boxes it changes from a hand icon to a pointing figure icon.
> > I can right-click and get the 'Delete Link' or 'Edit Link' options.
> > From there, yes, I do go to the Action tab to make any adjustments.
> >
> > But, for some reason my TOC is not generating those links at all. If I
> > right-click on an entry I just get a laundry list of options like
> > 'Add Sticky Note', ' Insert Text at Cursor', 'Select Tool', 'Hand Tool',
> etc.
> > While it might be a setting in PDF, its seems more like the TOC.fm
> > file is not doing something that the PDF needs to create the TOC
> > links, since the links are created for the other three and they work
> > in both Acrobat and Foxit.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers <framers-bounces+matt.harrington.contractor=
> > usap.gov at lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:23 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents
> > issue in FM-generated PDF
> >
> > OK, I'm not certain I'm following you entirely. When I open my PDF
> > files in Acrobat and right click on a TOC entry, I am given the option
> > to edit the link. If I select Edit Link, the Link Properties window is
> > shown. By default, the Link Type on the Appearance tab is set to
> Invisible Rectangle.
> > If you change it to Visible Rectangle, you can see the bounding box,
> > but that isn't necessary to edit the link.
> >
> > If you click on Actions, you can delete the current link in the
> > Actions box and add a different link using the Add an Action, which is
> > what it sounds like you're trying to do?
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:11 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) <
> > Matt.Harrington.Contractor at usap.gov> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Lin,
> > >
> > > Much thanks for the responses.
> > >
> > > To your first email, I did go in and look at my TOC.fm file under
> > > the Format > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box. The settings you
> > > mentioned were already selected as you described (under the
> > > 'Bookmarks' tab vice the 'Tags (Distiller)' tab) with those headers
> > > already under the "Include Paragraphs:" pane and the Generate PDF
> > > Bookmarks checked. I believe the hierarchy is correct (our layout
> > > and naming might look a little odd, but they work for our purposes) :
> > > Heading 1
> > > Heading 1 Appen
> > > Heading 1 Desc
> > > Heading 1 Intro
> > > Heading 1 Sys
> > > .Heading 2
> > > .Heading 2TOC Special
> > > ..Heading 3
> > > ...Heading 4
> > > Etc.
> > > The PDF bookmarks do work correctly as generated and I am able to
> > > add new ones, change where they link to within (or outside of the PDF).
> > >
> > > In your second email, you are correct, though the trouble I am
> > > having in the PDF is that unlike the List of Tables, List of
> > > Figures, and the Index, the TOC does not seem to want to generate
> > > the links (as bounding boxes) in the first place to the headers in
> > > the body. I would have to use the crosshair and draw one around every
> single entry!
> > >
> > > Since it works in the other three FM files (LOT, LOF, Index), I was
> > > thinking something must not be set correctly in my TOC file in
> > FrameMaker.
> > > However, when I compare the LOT, LOF, and Index against the TOC via
> > > Format
> > > > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box, they all *appear* to be set up
> > > > the
> > > same way. For one section in the both the bookmarks and the TOC, the
> > > reason we need to use the links that are automaticaly generated is
> > > to open folders just outside of the PDF that contain a bunch of
> > > large PDFs so are engineers can access supplemental info. Yes,
> convoluted.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Something must not be set correctly.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+matt.harrington.contractor=
> > > usap.gov at lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 12:34 PM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > > framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > > Subject: [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: [Framers] Table of Contents
> > > issue in FM-generated PDF
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, now I'm not sure I read your email right.
> > >
> > > You are generating both PDF bookmarks and hyperlinks for the TOC to
> > > the headings in the document, correct? And then you want to edit
> > > where the links from the TOC entries go to in the document using
> > > Acrobat Pro even though they are already linked to the heading in the
> document?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:07 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) <
> > > Matt.Harrington.Contractor at usap.gov> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Framers,
> > > >
> > > > I'm having a little FrameMaker-generated PDF issue with the table
> > > > of contents (TOC) and wondered if anyone might know a solution?
> > > > Maybe this is the way PDFs have always worked when generated from
> > > > Adobe FrameMaker, but my use of FM is intermittent, so I don't
> > > > remember. I have been scouring the Internet on and off over
> > > > several days seeking a solution, but coming up empty.
> > > >
> > > > So, an example in contrast first: when I convert a Word document
> > > > to a PDF using 'Save As PDF', the TOC automatically converts all
> > > > of its entries into hyperlinks to those headings throughout the
> > > > document (much as bookmarks generated by FrameMaker do in a PDF).
> > > > In both Adobe Acrobat Pro DC and in Foxit PhantomPDF I can then go
> > > > to Edit [PDF] > Link and click the 'Add/Edit Web or Document Link'
> > > > function, which highlights every entry in the TOC with a nice
> > > > bounding box. I can then modify where they link by making changes
> > > > in right-click >
> > Properties.
> > > >
> > > > A few months ago I was upgraded from FrameMaker version 12.0.4.445
> > > > to FrameMaker version 16.0.0.754 and still running on a Windows 10
> > > > laptop in both cases (FM 12 is still on my laptop, but I do not
> > > > use it). Even under FM 12, I don't believe the generated PDF would
> > > > let me to do what I described above with its generated PDF opened
> > > > in Adobe
> > Acrobat.
> > > > Instead, it seemed like I was only able to do those things with
> > > > Foxit PhantomPDF. For a large document, containing hundreds of
> > > > headings this
> > > is a HUGE timesaver.
> > > >
> > > > However, under FM 16, it appears I can't get the TOC bounding
> > > > boxes even with Foxit PhantomPDF. None of the settings under the
> 'PDF'
> > > > option under the FM Publish function jump out as the issue-though
> > > > I do not know if clicking either "Create Tagged PDF" (section 508
> > > > stuff) or "Use Acrobat Distiller for PDF generation" would fix this.
> > > > Oddly, when I click that 'Edit > Link' function in either Adobe
> > > > Acrobat Pro DC or in Foxit PhantomPDF, I do get the bounding boxes
> > > > in my List of Figures, List of Tables, and Index. This makes me
> > > > inclined to think it may be more of a TOC setting in FrameMaker,
> > > > but I don't know. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm stumped.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Matt
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