Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8
Lightle, Ed (OH)
elightle at commandalkon.com
Tue Nov 22 13:47:44 PST 2005
Hi,
I'm new to submitting questions/issues to this list but, hopefully, this is
the way to start. (If it's not, I know somebody will let me know.)
My questions is this: Is there a way to globally update markers in a
FrameMaker document? I use FM 6.0.
Thanks,
Ed Lightle
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1. Fwd: Problems with X-refs in tables (James Mathias Brandal)
2. OT: Opening an old .WDB file (Mary Sheahan)
3. Bleed tabs - automation? (Steve Rickaby)
4. Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item
(Stacie Knas)
5. More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid (Harvey Greenberg)
6. RE: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit? (Hales-Crotchett, Nicole)
7. Re: More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid (Lisa Bronson)
8. Re: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit? (Art Campbell)
9. Re: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list
item (Stacie Knas)
10. RE: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list
item (Lester C. Smalley)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:38:22 +0100
From: James Mathias Brandal <james.brandal at c2i.net>
Subject: Fwd: Problems with X-refs in tables
To: Framers List <framers at frameusers.com>
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Sometime ago I sent this question. Please reply if you have seen
similarities when doing Service documentation
>
>
> After updating Framemaker Adobe Acrobat and Framescript to latest
> versions we eventually experienced that in tables with X-refs the
> first cell from left still has its X-ref function while the rest
> have no X-refs function. This is also the case in text if we have
> two X-refs with different destinations the first from the left is
> still a X-ref while the next has lost.
>
> Has anyone on Framers experienced this?
>
> Best regards
> James Mathias Brandal
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:56:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Mary Sheahan <mhs_tw at yahoo.com>
Subject: OT: Opening an old .WDB file
To: framers at frameusers.com, framers at omsys.com
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If you have software that can open an old Microsoft
.WDB file (circa 2000), would you please contact me
off-list? We no longer have the software on any of
our PCs, and there's some document history information
that we want to retain. Even a text-dump would
suffice.
Thanks,
Mary
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:55:41 +0000
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Bleed tabs - automation?
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
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Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring's excellent FrameMaker 7 'complete
reference' book gives a method for setting up bleed tabs (thumbtabs) that
requires manual deletion of unnecessary tabs (i.e. all but the current
chapter) in production edit. Within structured FrameMaker, is there a way of
automating this?
What is needed is a means of rendering objects visible/invisible depending
on their chapter number. Perhaps some way of making conditional tags
sensitive to their context in the book...?
Another approach I've tried is to include a rotated B flow flush to the page
edge and insert the bleed tabs as conditionalised anchored frames. This
allows tabs to be turned on and off with conditions, but I don't like these
objects being on body pages, and it doesn't get round the issue of making
them sensitive to chapter number.
Failing that, I guess it could be done using the feature for mapping master
pages to paragraphs, but I cannot see it working out very elegantly, as one
would have to hack some sort of 'hidden' mapping between chapter number and
paragraph tags.
Any ideas, anyone?
--
Steve
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:26:47 -0500
From: Stacie Knas <foolofgrace at gmail.com>
Subject: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
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Dear Framers:
Frame 7.1, Windows XP Pro
I am tweaking my first EDD (using the Structured Application
Developer's Guide) to get the levels and spacing right with list items
(LI) in ordered lists (OL) and unordered lists (UL) and various nested
combinations thereof, including depending on whether the list is
compact or non-compact. I am very pleased with what I have figured
out so far, it's working well, except for one thing: If I have an OL
nested in a LI in an OL, the LI that follows the nested OL picks up
that OL's numbering, thus:
6. Item a
7. Item b
a. item A
b. item B
c. item C
4. Item c
5. ...
It doesn't happen with unordered lists. My level rules seem fine, and
they work if they are not interrupted by a nested OL. I don't know
where else to look; can you point me to places I could investigate?
Thanks so much. This list is invaluable. Sorry I can't provide
answers yet, but I'm learning a lot.
--Stacie
foolofgrace at gmail.com
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:14:40 -0500
From: "Harvey Greenberg" <harvey at xyenterprise.com>
Subject: More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:00:32 -0800
From: "Hales-Crotchett, Nicole" <nicole.hales-crotchett at lmco.com>
Subject: RE: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the
list is by no means complete.
~Nicole
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:48:43 -0600
From: Lisa Bronson <lisa.infocus at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid
To: Harvey Greenberg <harvey at xyenterprise.com>
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Hi Harvey,
This is a setting, and can be changed. (What you're receiving now is
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:58:52 -0500
From: Art Campbell <art.campbell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?
To: "Hales-Crotchett, Nicole" <nicole.hales-crotchett at lmco.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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And, by happenstance, Adobe just released their FM tech notes document
for the month today. One of the documents is "Troubleshooting
Installation Problems." No mention of 64 being a special case.
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331828.html
On 11/22/05, Hales-Crotchett, Nicole <nicole.hales-crotchett at lmco.com>
wrote:
> I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the
> list is by no means complete.
>
> ~Nicole
--
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and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:56:46 -0500
From: Stacie Knas <foolofgrace at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list
item
To: framers at frameusers.com
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Thank you for your kind replies. As I said, this is my first EDD and
there's a lot I don't know so please bear with me. I set up the
numbering in the EDD (I want to minimize the available elements, and
instead have the properties governed by where they appear):
If level is 1:
...
If context is: {first}
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: <n=1>.\t
Else
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: <n+>.\t
Else, if level is: 2
If context is: ul
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: \b\t
Else
If context is: {first}
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: <a=1>.\t
Else
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: <a+>.\t
There's more to it, of course. There is no opportunity in the EDD
won't let me put in a letter with a colon, n: or a:. Hope this helps.
I'm doing it the EDD way so that no matter where a LI occurs, it will
be formatted correctly depending on where it is: numbered, bulleted,
first, middle, table (haven't figured that one out yet, had to create
a new element and para format), etc.
On 11/22/05, Etzel, Gary <Gary.Etzel at advantica.biz> wrote:
> I think you need to change the numbering properties for the paragraph
> format. I don't know if you are defining that through the paragraph
designer
> or the EDD, but it's the same concept either way. In your first level OL,
> you probably have something like the following as the autonumber format:
> n:<n+>\t. In your second level OL, you need to change the n's to a
different
> letter, like this: a:\t<a+>\t. That will distinguish the first-level "n"
> numbering scheme from the second level "a" numbering scheme.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces+gary.etzel=advantica.biz at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+gary.etzel=advantica.biz at lists.frameusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Stacie Knas
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:27 PM
> To: framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item
>
> Dear Framers:
>
> Frame 7.1, Windows XP Pro
>
> I am tweaking my first EDD (using the Structured Application
> Developer's Guide) to get the levels and spacing right with list items
> (LI) in ordered lists (OL) and unordered lists (UL) and various nested
> combinations thereof, including depending on whether the list is
> compact or non-compact. I am very pleased with what I have figured
> out so far, it's working well, except for one thing: If I have an OL
> nested in a LI in an OL, the LI that follows the nested OL picks up
> that OL's numbering, thus:
>
> 6. Item a
> 7. Item b
>
> a. item A
> b. item B
> c. item C
>
> 4. Item c
> 5. ...
>
> It doesn't happen with unordered lists. My level rules seem fine, and
> they work if they are not interrupted by a nested OL. I don't know
> where else to look; can you point me to places I could investigate?
> Thanks so much. This list is invaluable. Sorry I can't provide
> answers yet, but I'm learning a lot.
>
> --Stacie
> foolofgrace at gmail.com
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:16:44 -0500
From: "Lester C. Smalley" <lsmalley at infocon.com>
Subject: RE: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list
item
To: "Stacie Knas" <foolofgrace at gmail.com>
Cc: framers at frameusers.com, framers at omsys.com
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You can include the number or letter followed by a colon, you simply
type the desired text into the EDD as content of the "Autonumber Format"
element.
However, I believe that you really want instead of designating these
items as different numbering series (which is what the A: or N: do) you
should include an EmptyCounter building block (will display as < > )
before your existing counter. One empty counter should be used for each
level of nesting, so a second-level list (first nested list) has one, a
third level list has two, etc.
For example:
If level is 1:
...
If context is: {first}
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: <n=1>.\t
Else
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: <n+>.\t
Else, if level is: 2
If context is: ul
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: \b\t
Else
If context is: {first}
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: < ><a=1>.\t
Else
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: < ><a+>.\t
On Tuesday, November 22, 2005 02:57 PM, Stacie Knas wrote:
| Thank you for your kind replies. As I said, this is my
| first EDD and there's a lot I don't know so please bear with
| me. I set up the numbering in the EDD (I want to minimize
| the available elements, and instead have the properties
| governed by where they appear):
|
| If level is 1:
| ...
| If context is: {first}
| Numbering properties
| Autonumber format: <n=1>.\t
| Else
| Numbering properties
| Autonumber format: <n+>.\t
|
| Else, if level is: 2
| If context is: ul
| Numbering properties
| Autonumber format: \b\t
| Else
| If context is: {first}
| Numbering properties
| Autonumber format: <a=1>.\t
| Else
| Numbering properties
| Autonumber format: <a+>.\t
|
| There's more to it, of course. There is no opportunity in
| the EDD won't let me put in a letter with a colon, n: or a:.
| Hope this helps.
|
| I'm doing it the EDD way so that no matter where a LI
| occurs, it will be formatted correctly depending on where it
| is: numbered, bulleted, first, middle, table (haven't
| figured that one out yet, had to create a new element and
| para format), etc.
- Lester
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Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com
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