[Framers] File Info > Title information problem (Lin Sims)
John Sgammato
john.sgammato at actifio.com
Tue Oct 16 17:59:12 PDT 2018
I do many things grumpily, or at least in a state nowhere approaching
gruntlement.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 8:49 PM Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick found the information in the MIF file. I was (naturally) looking for
> the wrong text.
>
> The info wanted is here (and yes I substituted generic information):
>
> <PDFDocInfo
> <Key 'Author'>
> <Value 'Company Name'>
> <Key 'Title'>
> <Value 'Book Title'>
> > # end of PDFDocInfo
>
> All I have to do is find that section in the MIF files and fix it, and none
> of our new documents will have a title in them. The older ones, obviously,
> were updated grumpily by me before generating the PDFs. :D
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:29 PM Carole McCormick <
> carolemccormick at sunnuclear.com> wrote:
>
> > Here is the process I have used in the past to remove title information
> > from a FrameMaker document.
> > Procedure to remove File Info from book files - this information is
> > propagated in new files when the template is used and cannot be deleted.
> > Process for removing:
> > 1.Begin by making a backup of all of the files.
> > 2.Open a file (I will use Preface as an example). Click File > File Info.
> > Remove any "File Info" text.
> > 3.Open a new blank document.
> > 4.Import formats from Preface into blank document -- ALL except for
> > Document Properties.
> > 5.Import file (Preface) into blank document - File > Import > File,
> select
> > "Copy into document" at the bottom of the screen, click Import and in the
> > dialog box that opens, select "Retain Source Formatting".
> > 6.Close the original Preface file.
> > 7.Save the "blank" document as Preface.
> > 8.Select Format > Page Layout > Column Layout. In the Column Layout
> > dialog box, select the checkbox for Room for Sideheads and then click
> > Update Entire Flow.
> > 9.Close the file and reopen - the File Info should be gone.
> >
> > I haven't used this in some time, but hope that it helps.
> >
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> > 1. Re: Structured XML 'title' element (cuc tu)
> > 2. Re: ePub (Doug)
> > 3. Equations (Doug)
> > 4. File Info > Title information problem (Lin Sims)
> > 5. Re: File Info > Title information problem (Jeff Coatsworth)
> > 6. Re: File Info > Title information problem (John Sgammato)
> > 7. Re: File Info > Title information problem (Lin Sims)
> > 8. Re: File Info > Title information problem (Lin Sims)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:02:59 +0000
> > From: cuc tu <cuc2u at hotmail.com>
> > To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Structured XML 'title' element
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> >
> MWHPR1801MB18882DF29BD6097754AB8E7EFDFD0 at MWHPR1801MB1888.namprd18.prod.outlook.com
> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> >
> > I suspect a table is involved because of the error message, but all I
> > notice in the XML and structure view is that the 'title' element tags are
> > removed, and its text is then in the 'first_aid' element, which is not
> > valid. In Frame, I can select this title text and then wrap it in the
> > 'title' element, and that will validate. Frame will save the xml file
> with
> > the 'title' element intact, but when the xml is then reopened, the title
> > element is removed again.
> >
> >
> > Related to your question, actual 'table' elements are converted to
> 'Table'
> > elements and then 'Row' elements are inserted. Those elements are
> undefined
> > and appear elsewhere. The above just seemed to be an easier issue to get
> > through as there are still several...
> >
> >
> > I'm fairly certain I have valid xml for the dtd, I just have problems
> with
> > my structured application and am not sure where to look. I built the edd
> > from a supplied dtd and imported the elements into a template file, but I
> > do not map any formatting in the edd (it was simply built from the dtd).
> > Then the rw rules are just from Adobe's structured app reference manual.
> >
> >
> > I think there is something making Frame expect the 'title' element in a
> > table and there is a connection to Frame's Table Title, but I don't see
> > where that is defined. I suspect something is missing from my rw-rules
> > file, which looks as such:
> >
> >
> >
> > fm version is "12.0";
> > /*
> > * Include all ISO entity mapping rules.
> > */
> > #include "isoall.rw"
> >
> >
> > element "xref" {
> > is fm cross reference element "Xref";
> > attribute "formatprop" is fm property cross-reference format; }
> >
> >
> > element "table" {
> > is fm table element "Table";
> > attribute "frame"
> > {
> > is fm property table border ruling;
> > value "top" is fm property value top;
> > value "bottom" is fm property value bottom; value "topbot" is fm property
> > value top and bottom; value "all" is fm property value all; value "sides"
> > is fm property value sides; value "none" is fm property value none; }
> > attribute "colsep" is fm property column ruling; attribute "rowsep" is fm
> > property row ruling; attribute "numcols" is fm property columns;
> attribute
> > "colwidths" is fm property column widths; }
> >
> >
> > element "tablehead" {
> > is fm table heading element "TableHead"; } element "tablebody" { is fm
> > table body element "TableBody"; } element "row" { is fm table row element
> > "Row"; } element "cell" { is fm table cell element "Cell"; }
> >
> > element "graphic" {
> > is fm graphic element "Graphic";
> > writer anchored frame {
> > notation is "CGM";
> > export to file "$(docname).cgm";
> > }
> > }
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > C2
> >
> > ---------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi C2,
> >
> > Is the <first_aid> element being converted to a FrameMaker table?
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > rick at frameexpert.com
> > 585-729-6746 NEW!
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:15:59 -0400
> > From: Doug <dbailey4117 at gmail.com>
> > To: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] ePub
> > Message-ID:
> > <CANLqyK1-VyUDEDUWDKX9Y_2-tdHpgLO1W=rAfVOOXg6Dkr=
> > New at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Thanks everyone. I clicked the Edit option on the Publish window and
> > figured out how to add borders to my images...it works perfectly in ePub
> > mode. I'll have to remove the borders from my FM documents and just use
> > those instead. Probably will end up using conditional text to use my
> > original image borders to show up in our PDFs.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest how to change the color of hotlinks? My cross-refs
> > display in the normal blue when they're published, but I'm told to make
> > them a different shade.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:38 PM Scott Prentice <sp14 at leximation.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Doug...
> > >
> > > I assume you're using the EPUB export in FM? The FM version will
> > > affect the output significantly, newer versions much better than
> > > older. As Rick points out, the formatting is controlled by CSS. There
> > > are many reasons that formatting in your source may now end up as
> > > expected in the EPUB. I haven't looked at the EPUB output from FM 2019
> > > yet, but I think it's the same as it was in FM 2017 (I hear that RH
> > > 2019 has a new engine though .. need to test that).
> > >
> > > One of the big problems with EPUB output from FM (and most tools), is
> > > that the underlying HTML/CSS is not terribly clean. There's likely a
> > > lot of hard-coded styling (@style attributes on HTML elements) .. when
> > > it should be purely @class attribute driven so it's easier to control.
> > > You'll also see differences in the rendering of pages depending on the
> > > EPUB reader you're using.
> > >
> > > You can look at the HTML/CSS markup by extracting the files from
> > > within the EPUB. Just change the file extension to ".zip" and use your
> > > favorite archive tool. In theory you can make edits and zip it back
> > > up, but this may create an invalid EPUB (the order of files in the
> > > archive is important, and most archive tools don't let you define that
> > > order). If you're serious about EPUB, you should get a copy of Oxygen
> > XML Editor.
> > > It lets you open EPUBs, make edits and save back to the EPUB
> (properly).
> > > And since it's an XML editor (and EPUBs are mostly XML), it's a really
> > > nice tool for making global edits to the files.
> > >
> > > EPUB can be really cool .. but the tools and readers are lacking in
> > > proper support. Keep it simple and you'll have better results. Also
> > > tell your end users which readers you "support" so they don't try
> > > using some reader that will make the EPUB looks really bad.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > ...scott
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/15/18 8:22 AM, Doug wrote:
> > > > I've been experimenting with publishing to the ePub format. it
> > > > looks
> > > nice,
> > > > but the images in my document lose their borders during the process.
> > > I've
> > > > managed to make a single image retain its border, but none of the
> > others.
> > > > Even if I set up another image the same way, the border vanishes
> > > > when I publish to ePub.
> > > >
> > > > Ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Doug
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:51:54 -0400
> > From: Doug <dbailey4117 at gmail.com>
> > To: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: [Framers] Equations
> > Message-ID:
> > <CANLqyK3H+PLa7YTxLZX0=TEOHB3Dy6q_=
> > Wd_V2F0QaubY7q0vg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > When I use the Insert > Equations functionality, the result is great for
> > PDFs and print. But when I File > Publish > HTML5, the equations are
> > treated as images. This is bad because the Publishing process puts
> borders
> > around them like it does around all of the images.
> >
> > The only way I can think of to fix this is to not set the Publish process
> > to not automatically add borders to any images. This means I will have
> to
> > manually edit the CSS to add the 4 border statements for each of the
> > images. But at least this way the equations won't have borders, even
> > though they'll still be treated as images.
> >
> > Am I missing a better solution?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:44:35 -0400
> > From: Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
> > To: Frame Users <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem
> > Message-ID:
> > <CA+MomCjZXdo43JdTrsgCqpzw7AmFE8SNJNND__W2=Px=
> > CaSh4A at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017
> >
> > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File Info?
> I
> > have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old document title
> from
> > this field in the template files. Yes, I update this field when I create
> a
> > new document, but it's a bloody nuisance that it has bad information in
> it
> > and I can't get rid of it.
> >
> > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information in
> > the MIF files.
> >
> > --
> > Lin Sims
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:49:39 +0000
> > From: Jeff Coatsworth <Jeff.Coatsworth at jonasclub.com>
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem
> > Message-ID: <48931348e448484ea1b75a84085991fc at jonasclub.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > IIRC once you stick something in that File Info screen, you're stuck with
> > it forever.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=
> > jonasclub.com at lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:45 PM
> > To: Frame Users <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem
> >
> > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017
> >
> > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File Info?
> I
> > have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old document title
> from
> > this field in the template files. Yes, I update this field when I create
> a
> > new document, but it's a bloody nuisance that it has bad information in
> it
> > and I can't get rid of it.
> >
> > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information in
> > the MIF files.
> >
> > --
> > Lin Sims
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:52:58 -0400
> > From: John Sgammato <john.sgammato at actifio.com>
> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
> > <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAKwJh12M2LKP=
> > x52ovv6i5mvVYgTeevwM_8HkqAQQQ_V-uQEOA at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > We update that information all the time. It gets consumed by an
> > auto-publication script and used to publish the final PDF to the right
> > location.
> > We're using FM 2015, unstructured.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
> > Jeff.Coatsworth at jonasclub.com> wrote:
> >
> > > IIRC once you stick something in that File Info screen, you're stuck
> > > with it forever.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=
> > > jonasclub.com at lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:45 PM
> > > To: Frame Users <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem
> > >
> > > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017
> > >
> > > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File
> > > Info? I have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old
> > > document title from this field in the template files. Yes, I update
> > > this field when I create a new document, but it's a bloody nuisance
> > > that it has bad information in it and I can't get rid of it.
> > >
> > > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information
> > > in the MIF files.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lin Sims
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:55:27 -0400
> > From: Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
> > To: Frame Users <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem
> > Message-ID:
> > <CA+MomCipfch5NeeigHKvRZf0Y+_sexDO3zNmj4mnr=
> > BFtikhNA at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Well. That's STUPID.
> >
> > Also frustrating. Whose bright idea was that?
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
> > Jeff.Coatsworth at jonasclub.com> wrote:
> >
> > > IIRC once you stick something in that File Info screen, you're stuck
> > > with it forever.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=
> > > jonasclub.com at lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:45 PM
> > > To: Frame Users <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem
> > >
> > > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017
> > >
> > > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File
> > > Info? I have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old
> > > document title from this field in the template files. Yes, I update
> > > this field when I create a new document, but it's a bloody nuisance
> > > that it has bad information in it and I can't get rid of it.
> > >
> > > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information
> > > in the MIF files.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lin Sims
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
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> > --
> > Lin Sims
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:57:24 -0400
> > From: Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
> > To: Frame Users <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > CA+MomChHSbvJF_dyUX-EYJfSwCFdoSQcRw0NHwTmJS7wi56ezA at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > That'd be nice. But we do it all manually: choose the file name, choose
> > the location, all the rest. I just don't understand why someone thought
> > carrying an old title over to everything ever created once you used that
> > field for the first time was a good idea.
> >
> > It's been a bit of a week. Already. Oy.
> >
> > Thanks for the information, all, even if it's not what I hoped for.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:53 PM John Sgammato <john.sgammato at actifio.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > We update that information all the time. It gets consumed by an
> > > auto-publication script and used to publish the final PDF to the right
> > > location.
> > > We're using FM 2015, unstructured.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
> > > Jeff.Coatsworth at jonasclub.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > IIRC once you stick something in that File Info screen, you're stuck
> > > > with it forever.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=
> > > > jonasclub.com at lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:45 PM
> > > > To: Frame Users <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > > > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem
> > > >
> > > > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017
> > > >
> > > > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File
> > Info?
> > > I
> > > > have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old document
> > > > title
> > > from
> > > > this field in the template files. Yes, I update this field when I
> > > > create
> > > a
> > > > new document, but it's a bloody nuisance that it has bad information
> > > > in
> > > it
> > > > and I can't get rid of it.
> > > >
> > > > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information
> > > > in the MIF files.
> > > >
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