[Framers] Create a separate ToC for each text flow?

Tue May 21 00:02:26 PDT 2019

Hi all

Creating separate paragraph tags for French and Dutch is not really an
option, because we'd have to retag the whole text (500 + pages). Richard
Mitchell suggested to use conditional text for the French and Dutch text. I
haven't tried this, but that might work.

Anyway, Adobe should add this feature: simply allow the user to create a
ToC with multiple text flows, in which the generated ToC appears in the
corresponding text flows, so the headings from flow A in appears in flow A
in the ToC, headings from flow B in flow B etc.

Cheers

Yves

On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 17:47, Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Craig,
>
> Assuming I understood this correctly, I don't think this is possible. As
> far as I know, you can only have one TOC reference page, and there's no way
> to specify which text flow it goes into. Be interesting to find out if I'm
> wrong on that, though, as I can see it being useful.
>
> Yves, let us know what you try out and how it works, would you please?
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:36 PM Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yves,
> >
> > I was thinking of something similar to what Lin describes, but I don't
> > have time to check it and didn't want to lead you down a wrong path.
> > However, once you create the TOC file as an autogenerated file, it might
> be
> > possible to create the two text flows in that file, one for each
> language.
> > The page flows and formatting tags on the reference page for the TOC
> would
> > have to be divided as well with the correct tags to use for formatting on
> > the appropriate side. All the flow names have to be named the same for
> each
> > of the 'views' (that is, on both the TOC reference and master pages). I
> > don't know for sure, but it just might work, and that would let you just
> > generate the file, no muss, no fuss.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > ________________________________
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> >
> > on behalf of Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:14 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Create a separate ToC for each text flow?
> >
> > Could you use two different paragraph tags for each heading level, one
> for
> > Dutch and one for French? Perhaps distinguished by -D and -Fr. Then you
> > could generate separate TOCs easily enough from the same file, but off
> the
> > top of my head I can't figure out how to combine the two different TOCs
> > into the same generated file.
> >
> > Oh! Could you create a second file that has two separate text frames as
> > parallel columns, then use insets to have the French TOC in one column
> and
> > the Dutch in the other? Then all you'd have to do is exclude the
> generated
> > files from the doc when creating your output ...
> >
> > (NB: I have not tested this. No idea if it would work. But it sounds
> > possible.)
> >
> > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 8:14 AM Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Framers
> > >
> > > I've got this nice challenge:
> > >
> > > I've got a big FrameMaker book in which each chapter has 2 separate
> text
> > > flows: one for Dutch text and one for French. The Dutch and French text
> > > appears side by side on each page.
> > >
> > > I want to create a table of contents which has the same: a Dutch text
> > flow
> > > on the left and a French text flow on the right.
> > >
> > > I don't see a "standard" way of doing this in Fm. When I generate a
> ToC,
> > I
> > > get the Dutch and French text mixed together in a single flow:
> > >
> > > Dutch heading.... page 1
> > > French heading.... page 1
> > > Dutch heading.... page 2
> > > French heading.... page 2
> > >
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > My current workaround is kinda complicated:
> > >
> > >    1. Create 3 versions of the book, one bilingual (master) version, a
> > >    French version and a Dutch version.
> > >    2. Remove all French text from the Dutch book and vice versa.
> > >    3. Generate a ToC in the French version.
> > >    4. Generate a ToC in the Dutch version.
> > >    5. In the bilingual version, import the Dutch ToC in the Dutch text
> > flow
> > >    of the "fake ToC" and import the French ToC in the French text flow.
> > >
> > > It works, but it's too complicated and will take too much time when
> > updates
> > > occur.
> > >
> > > Any better ideas? Can an ExtendScript do this?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Yves Barbion
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