[Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

Sat Sep 12 11:23:03 PDT 2020

Spellcheck did indeed used to replace Interleaf with FrameMaker, but I
don't think it does anymore.

When it converts from Frame to PDF, that will make the link unclickable.
Also, I really don't want to have to apply a character tag to text created
in a generated document every time I regenerate the TOC. Acrobat PDF is
supposed to make an output that looks exactly like the input.

I should add (shouldn't I?) that the conversion from FM to PDF of the
actual chapters do NOT show that weird spacing for the word "Software".
Only in the TOC. Only those two lines.

I've reinstalled Acrobat DC. I've MIF-washed. I've used both the Save as
PDF (my usual route) and the Publish pod. They are all producing the same
result.

Ah! But printing the book using Adobe PDF *WORKED*! (That'd be File > Print
Book). I believe that uses Distiller directly or something? I forget. But
it worked!

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 1:32 PM Peter Gold <peter at petergold.photography>
wrote:

> Hi, Lin:
>
> AHA! It's a secret plot of some kind. I remember there was a time long ago,
> when FM's auto-correct would replace "InterLeaf" or some other proprietary
> competitor, with "FrameMaker."
>
> The word-spacing computation might have a rounding error when it encounters
> specific glyph combinations in this particular font. Perhaps substitute a
> similar font for the problematic word(s) or adjust the kerning or
> letter-spacing, perhaps by applying a character format that sets one or the
> other or both properties.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 11:58 AM Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Peter
> > >
> > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a
> > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a
> > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc.
> Is
> > > the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific
> glyph
> > > pairs?
> >
> >
> > The word "Pulse" is a text variable in the source, but once it gets to
> the
> > TOC it's plain text. I did try changing it in the source to text. The
> > pictures you see are the "after" of that try.
> >
> > The font is Source Sans Pro. The TOC paragraph tag does have word spacing
> > adjusted to ensure that I don't have text abutting the page number
> > (standard workaround, minimum 190%, maximum 210%, optimum 100%), but
> since
> > all the other tags have the exact same settings, why would those two, and
> > only those two, convert from FM to PDF so weirdly? I don't touch the
> letter
> > spacing or stretch settings on the font tab. There are no character tags
> > applied in either the source file or the generated TOC.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it
> > > again.  Observe the results.
> >
> >
> > No joy on this. There appears to be something about the actual word
> > "Software" that the PDF engine is having a conniption about. The original
> > text has Software oddly space, and the inserted text right before it also
> > has "Software oddly spaced. In fact, the "e" from "Software" is
> overlapping
> > the "P" of the original "Pulse".
> >
> > Maybe it's time to reinstall Acrobat. Again. I have constant problems
> with
> > this program. Multiple Fatal DDE Errors, an inability to open PDFs by
> > double-clicking on them from File Explorer or the download bar at the
> > bottom of a browser, and on and on. An Adobe tech completely wiped every
> > Adobe program and reinstalled them, and I've even had my machine
> completely
> > reimaged and the problems continue.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM Doug <dbailey4117 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Experiment by making changes to the source.
> > >
> > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it
> > > again.  Observe the results.  If the new words display fine, delete
> > > everything after them and PDF it again.  Observe the results.
> > >
> > > You might be able to fix it, even if you might never discover why.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:50 PM Peter Gold <peter at petergold.photography
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's a no-brainer, Lin! It's "social distancing. :)
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a
> > > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a
> > > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it,
> etc.
> > Is
> > > > the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific
> > glyph
> > > > pairs?
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:46 PM Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the
> TOC,
> > > they
> > > > > look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked
> the
> > > > > paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files and
> they
> > > are
> > > > > the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those
> > two
> > > > > headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If
> > > anyone
> > > > > has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks
> > bad.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/weird-spacing-in-toc-after-conversion-to-pdf/td-p/11427776?page=1
> > > > >
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